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{"specs/xwiki-farm.rst":[{"author":{"_account_id":13252,"name":"Dr. Jens Harbott","display_name":"Jens Harbott (frickler)","email":"frickler@offenerstapel.de","username":"jrosenboom"},"change_message_id":"6a83b32a2cb59b16b094c102462f7f53057a4a24","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":38,"context_line":""},{"line_number":39,"context_line":"* open source (although a bit open core)"},{"line_number":40,"context_line":""},{"line_number":41,"context_line":"* limited maintenance costs, includes spam prevention tooling"},{"line_number":42,"context_line":""},{"line_number":43,"context_line":"* `\"structured wiki\"`_ approach, which limits stale pages"},{"line_number":44,"context_line":""}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"1fa4df85_7008eb90","line":41,"range":{"start_line":41,"start_character":29,"end_line":41,"end_character":61},"updated":"2020-03-10 22:02:46.000000000","message":"As this seems to be the main topic requiring resources in the current installation, can we have more information about what xwiki provides here that will make moderation easier?","commit_id":"dad55a5b68357929b2c42a445b14901839592911"},{"author":{"_account_id":308,"name":"Thierry Carrez","email":"thierry@openstack.org","username":"ttx"},"change_message_id":"f869ad7cc76d740aba121072e622e885d947430b","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":38,"context_line":""},{"line_number":39,"context_line":"* open source (although a bit open core)"},{"line_number":40,"context_line":""},{"line_number":41,"context_line":"* limited maintenance costs, includes spam prevention tooling"},{"line_number":42,"context_line":""},{"line_number":43,"context_line":"* `\"structured wiki\"`_ approach, which limits stale pages"},{"line_number":44,"context_line":""}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"1fa4df85_663110a3","line":41,"range":{"start_line":41,"start_character":29,"end_line":41,"end_character":61},"in_reply_to":"1fa4df85_7008eb90","updated":"2020-03-11 09:53:13.000000000","message":"I\u0027ll add reference to:\n\nhttps://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Documentation/AdminGuide/AntiSpam\n\nin next patchset","commit_id":"dad55a5b68357929b2c42a445b14901839592911"},{"author":{"_account_id":13252,"name":"Dr. Jens Harbott","display_name":"Jens Harbott (frickler)","email":"frickler@offenerstapel.de","username":"jrosenboom"},"change_message_id":"6a83b32a2cb59b16b094c102462f7f53057a4a24","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":40,"context_line":""},{"line_number":41,"context_line":"* limited maintenance costs, includes spam prevention tooling"},{"line_number":42,"context_line":""},{"line_number":43,"context_line":"* `\"structured wiki\"`_ approach, which limits stale pages"},{"line_number":44,"context_line":""},{"line_number":45,"context_line":"* pluggable into openstackID for authentication"},{"line_number":46,"context_line":""}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"1fa4df85_d01affc3","line":43,"updated":"2020-03-10 22:02:46.000000000","message":"From the linked doc, I don\u0027t see how this is better than nested pages in mediawiki, could you expand on this?","commit_id":"dad55a5b68357929b2c42a445b14901839592911"},{"author":{"_account_id":308,"name":"Thierry Carrez","email":"thierry@openstack.org","username":"ttx"},"change_message_id":"f869ad7cc76d740aba121072e622e885d947430b","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":40,"context_line":""},{"line_number":41,"context_line":"* limited maintenance costs, includes spam prevention tooling"},{"line_number":42,"context_line":""},{"line_number":43,"context_line":"* `\"structured wiki\"`_ approach, which limits stale pages"},{"line_number":44,"context_line":""},{"line_number":45,"context_line":"* pluggable into openstackID for authentication"},{"line_number":46,"context_line":""}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"1fa4df85_e6f3c0e6","line":43,"in_reply_to":"1fa4df85_d01affc3","updated":"2020-03-11 09:53:13.000000000","message":"I found it simpler (read: more user-friendly) to get specific groups in charge of maintaining specific pages, with inheritance of access rights by default.\n\nIt also has a navigation widget where you can exclude/include specific pages, making it easier to emerge reference information.\n\nAll those things are possible with mediawiki, but they are more bolted on the original use case (which is wikipedia \"everyone-can-update-everything in a flat space\" use case), which explains why it never took for wiki.o.o.\n\nI\u0027ll add details on new patchset.","commit_id":"dad55a5b68357929b2c42a445b14901839592911"},{"author":{"_account_id":13252,"name":"Dr. Jens Harbott","display_name":"Jens Harbott (frickler)","email":"frickler@offenerstapel.de","username":"jrosenboom"},"change_message_id":"6a83b32a2cb59b16b094c102462f7f53057a4a24","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":80,"context_line":"the open core model followed by Xwiki.com relies on a relatively sane"},{"line_number":81,"context_line":"demarcation between xwiki code and \"pro\" plugins, and Xwiki.com being a"},{"line_number":82,"context_line":"French company, they have to abide to pretty drastic data collection,"},{"line_number":83,"context_line":"retention and communication laws. Overall, the benefits of being able to"},{"line_number":84,"context_line":"outsource hosting and maintenance of the platform, as well as the immediate"},{"line_number":85,"context_line":"availability of the solution, justifies the positive trade-off."},{"line_number":86,"context_line":""},{"line_number":87,"context_line":"Shall the proof-of-concept be successful, or shall we ever exceed the"},{"line_number":88,"context_line":"10-subwiki limit, we would consider self-hosting the solution. Usage of a"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"1fa4df85_9051e738","line":85,"range":{"start_line":83,"start_character":34,"end_line":85,"end_character":63},"updated":"2020-03-10 22:02:46.000000000","message":"I\u0027m still not convinced that this holds true. I think we should make running our own installation a first priority and only if that turns out to be a major effort consider taking up an external hosting offer.","commit_id":"dad55a5b68357929b2c42a445b14901839592911"},{"author":{"_account_id":13252,"name":"Dr. Jens Harbott","display_name":"Jens Harbott (frickler)","email":"frickler@offenerstapel.de","username":"jrosenboom"},"change_message_id":"7b701175a7b9a99f47b44325195ecde1ed4f477f","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":80,"context_line":"the open core model followed by Xwiki.com relies on a relatively sane"},{"line_number":81,"context_line":"demarcation between xwiki code and \"pro\" plugins, and Xwiki.com being a"},{"line_number":82,"context_line":"French company, they have to abide to pretty drastic data collection,"},{"line_number":83,"context_line":"retention and communication laws. Overall, the benefits of being able to"},{"line_number":84,"context_line":"outsource hosting and maintenance of the platform, as well as the immediate"},{"line_number":85,"context_line":"availability of the solution, justifies the positive trade-off."},{"line_number":86,"context_line":""},{"line_number":87,"context_line":"Shall the proof-of-concept be successful, or shall we ever exceed the"},{"line_number":88,"context_line":"10-subwiki limit, we would consider self-hosting the solution. Usage of a"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"1fa4df85_c93c9532","line":85,"range":{"start_line":83,"start_character":34,"end_line":85,"end_character":63},"in_reply_to":"1fa4df85_26b9d8e8","updated":"2020-03-11 10:57:11.000000000","message":"No, I\u0027m not volunteering. I\u0027m wondering though who the various \"we\"\u0027s are. If there is a community that needs a wiki, where is their contribution to e.g. OpenDev enabling us to make this happen? What prevents them from using the existing wiki solution we have? \n\nAlso, why does this have to happen under the OpenDev umbrella? They could just use the xwiki.com offer under their own power and maybe if it turns out to be successful, we could adopt this approach later after evaluating it.","commit_id":"dad55a5b68357929b2c42a445b14901839592911"},{"author":{"_account_id":308,"name":"Thierry Carrez","email":"thierry@openstack.org","username":"ttx"},"change_message_id":"f869ad7cc76d740aba121072e622e885d947430b","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":80,"context_line":"the open core model followed by Xwiki.com relies on a relatively sane"},{"line_number":81,"context_line":"demarcation between xwiki code and \"pro\" plugins, and Xwiki.com being a"},{"line_number":82,"context_line":"French company, they have to abide to pretty drastic data collection,"},{"line_number":83,"context_line":"retention and communication laws. Overall, the benefits of being able to"},{"line_number":84,"context_line":"outsource hosting and maintenance of the platform, as well as the immediate"},{"line_number":85,"context_line":"availability of the solution, justifies the positive trade-off."},{"line_number":86,"context_line":""},{"line_number":87,"context_line":"Shall the proof-of-concept be successful, or shall we ever exceed the"},{"line_number":88,"context_line":"10-subwiki limit, we would consider self-hosting the solution. Usage of a"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"1fa4df85_26b9d8e8","line":85,"range":{"start_line":83,"start_character":34,"end_line":85,"end_character":63},"in_reply_to":"1fa4df85_9051e738","updated":"2020-03-11 09:53:13.000000000","message":"Well... Are you volunteering to set up and administer a xwiki farm tomorrow? My impression was that we were already overloaded maintaining the services that we committed to running ourselves, with nobody with free time to solve the \"wiki situation\".\n\nI\u0027m suggesting we run a proof-of-concept based on the hosted offer. We have a community (the Open Infra Labs initiative) needing a wiki ASAP. I\u0027d hate to have them use some proprietary service somewhere while we look for volunteers to run our own installation. The hosted offer will allow to immediately evaluate xwiki without committing too many resources.\n\nWe\u0027ll definitely have another discussion once the evaluation is over before we consider expanding the setup to other communities.","commit_id":"dad55a5b68357929b2c42a445b14901839592911"},{"author":{"_account_id":308,"name":"Thierry Carrez","email":"thierry@openstack.org","username":"ttx"},"change_message_id":"0e036adaddc940c1bbde8089ebe3bb39e44538d8","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":80,"context_line":"the open core model followed by Xwiki.com relies on a relatively sane"},{"line_number":81,"context_line":"demarcation between xwiki code and \"pro\" plugins, and Xwiki.com being a"},{"line_number":82,"context_line":"French company, they have to abide to pretty drastic data collection,"},{"line_number":83,"context_line":"retention and communication laws. Overall, the benefits of being able to"},{"line_number":84,"context_line":"outsource hosting and maintenance of the platform, as well as the immediate"},{"line_number":85,"context_line":"availability of the solution, justifies the positive trade-off."},{"line_number":86,"context_line":""},{"line_number":87,"context_line":"Shall the proof-of-concept be successful, or shall we ever exceed the"},{"line_number":88,"context_line":"10-subwiki limit, we would consider self-hosting the solution. Usage of a"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"1fa4df85_e97151e0","line":85,"range":{"start_line":83,"start_character":34,"end_line":85,"end_character":63},"in_reply_to":"1fa4df85_c93c9532","updated":"2020-03-11 11:11:39.000000000","message":"Re: community needing a wiki: the OSF is helping bootstrapping the OpenInfra labs community (formerly known as Massachussets Open Cloud), a community of practice around operating OpenStack clouds for academic networks. That community is interested in using Opendev for project infrastructure, including Gerrit for amnaging code repositories. At those early stages they need a mailing-list (already set up at lists.opendev.org) and a wiki to share information.\n\nYes we could ask them to set themselves up outside of Opendev, but (1) that would not be very welcoming (2) we would pass on the opportunity to use it to evaluate Xwiki wikifarm for Opendev.\n\nPersonally I think we should default to experimenting and doing things (especially if they do not require that much of our own resources) rather than not doing.","commit_id":"dad55a5b68357929b2c42a445b14901839592911"},{"author":{"_account_id":5263,"name":"Jeremy Stanley","display_name":"fungi","email":"fungi@yuggoth.org","username":"fungi","status":"missing, presumed fed"},"change_message_id":"fcc3da861974e20fc0e2f7c907531583be215c9d","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":80,"context_line":"the open core model followed by Xwiki.com relies on a relatively sane"},{"line_number":81,"context_line":"demarcation between xwiki code and \"pro\" plugins, and Xwiki.com being a"},{"line_number":82,"context_line":"French company, they have to abide to pretty drastic data collection,"},{"line_number":83,"context_line":"retention and communication laws. Overall, the benefits of being able to"},{"line_number":84,"context_line":"outsource hosting and maintenance of the platform, as well as the immediate"},{"line_number":85,"context_line":"availability of the solution, justifies the positive trade-off."},{"line_number":86,"context_line":""},{"line_number":87,"context_line":"Shall the proof-of-concept be successful, or shall we ever exceed the"},{"line_number":88,"context_line":"10-subwiki limit, we would consider self-hosting the solution. Usage of a"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"1fa4df85_58db8920","line":85,"range":{"start_line":83,"start_character":34,"end_line":85,"end_character":63},"in_reply_to":"1fa4df85_c93c9532","updated":"2020-03-11 14:23:04.000000000","message":"The main reason not to use the existing wiki is that it\u0027s the OpenStack wiki, and we\u0027d previously drawn the line that we didn\u0027t want to end up responsible for running that as part of OpenDev. What\u0027s compelling about starting with a hosted Xwiki is that we\u0027re not on the hook for working out deployment and systems maintenance for it but can move the content and domain name to a server we run later if that ends up being something we have volunteers to take on.","commit_id":"dad55a5b68357929b2c42a445b14901839592911"}]}