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This is to address issues of project branding and sovreignty (do you want @bob:fedoraproject.org joining some random #room:matrix.org and everyone thinking he\u0027s acting on behalf of fedora?  What if he leaves the fedora project?  And what about creating ad-hoc rooms on the homeserver?  Suddenly #fuzzycats:fedoraproject.org is a real room).\n\nThis is good background: https://blog.ergaster.org/post/20210610-sovereignty-federated-system-gnome/\n\nHere\u0027s my current thinking (influenced by Thib and mordred):\n\n* Matrix user IDs are like email addresses.  :matrix.org is like @gmail.com.\n* OpenStack doesn\u0027t issue email addresses to its contributors; maybe the policy should be the same for Matrix.\n* If we ever did want to host users on a homeserver, we should follow Fedora\u0027s lead and have two homeservers for that purpose.","commit_id":"4b1140edd08a1e1cd975e3ce63b4402d9c435d06"},{"author":{"_account_id":1,"name":"James E. 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The exception (like email) is when it\u0027s an open and generic service, like gmail or matrix.org.\n\nWe could decide (in the future - once OpenDev has an identity system) that OpenDev wants to be a general open system WRT identity so that an @opendev just means \"I\u0027m a user who uses OpenDev\" - making OpenDev more like GitHub. 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