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If so, that\u0027s fine, but perhaps need some clarity either way as this is ambiguous.","commit_id":"262406ee1b222e39a55b700fc0d4d55bd878e1e0"},{"author":{"_account_id":1,"name":"James E. 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Will update.","commit_id":"262406ee1b222e39a55b700fc0d4d55bd878e1e0"},{"author":{"_account_id":7069,"name":"Joshua Hesketh","email":"josh@nitrotech.org","username":"jhesketh"},"change_message_id":"943d219e29a66e9cc3e0ac6c5727f0eb5ebb6c74","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":149,"context_line":"  and addition or removal of projects."},{"line_number":150,"context_line":""},{"line_number":151,"context_line":"  Any such changes should be proposed to the infra-specs repository."},{"line_number":152,"context_line":"  Those changes will be reviewed by the entire infrastructure team,"},{"line_number":153,"context_line":"  When a change to infra-specs is ready for final approval, the author"},{"line_number":154,"context_line":"  will add the change to the infra team meeting agenda and members of"},{"line_number":155,"context_line":"  the council will vote on the spec to approve or reject the change."}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"7a016987_18558bc5","line":152,"in_reply_to":"7a016987_4de6b1e9","updated":"2015-05-26 22:59:40.000000000","message":"I think this ambiguity is still here.","commit_id":"262406ee1b222e39a55b700fc0d4d55bd878e1e0"},{"author":{"_account_id":6554,"name":"Spencer Krum","email":"nibz@spencerkrum.com","username":"krum-spencer"},"change_message_id":"abc5be295385f07824c8d246e33f555c76b12f19","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":151,"context_line":"  Any such changes should be proposed to the infra-specs repository."},{"line_number":152,"context_line":"  Those changes will be reviewed by the entire infrastructure team,"},{"line_number":153,"context_line":"  When a change to infra-specs is ready for final approval, the author"},{"line_number":154,"context_line":"  will add the change to the infra team meeting agenda and members of"},{"line_number":155,"context_line":"  the council will vote on the spec to approve or reject the change."},{"line_number":156,"context_line":"  The determination will be based on a majority vote, with members of"},{"line_number":157,"context_line":"  the infra-core team able to veto, and in the case of a tie, the PTL"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"7a016987_5ecdc7b5","line":154,"updated":"2015-05-19 21:27:48.000000000","message":"I believe we could benefit from formalizing the spec lifecycle. We have specs that reach general consensus but do not land. We also have specs that have had the conversation die out but do not get abandoned. Something like a planning phase of a couple months followed by a 2 week final phase, followed by merge/abandon could be simple and effective.","commit_id":"262406ee1b222e39a55b700fc0d4d55bd878e1e0"},{"author":{"_account_id":6554,"name":"Spencer Krum","email":"nibz@spencerkrum.com","username":"krum-spencer"},"change_message_id":"bdbcd65ffbf8fbba68d9d3e4027f8ee2a7b1cc3d","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":151,"context_line":"  Any such changes should be proposed to the infra-specs repository."},{"line_number":152,"context_line":"  Those changes will be reviewed by the entire infrastructure team,"},{"line_number":153,"context_line":"  When a change to infra-specs is ready for final approval, the author"},{"line_number":154,"context_line":"  will add the change to the infra team meeting agenda and members of"},{"line_number":155,"context_line":"  the council will vote on the spec to approve or reject the change."},{"line_number":156,"context_line":"  The determination will be based on a majority vote, with members of"},{"line_number":157,"context_line":"  the infra-core team able to veto, and in the case of a tie, the PTL"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"7a016987_be395ba6","line":154,"updated":"2015-05-19 21:28:26.000000000","message":"The infra meeting is already tight on time. Putting more things into the infra meeting sounds like a bad idea.","commit_id":"262406ee1b222e39a55b700fc0d4d55bd878e1e0"},{"author":{"_account_id":1,"name":"James E. 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I don\u0027t think that the infra meeting should be used to either vote or heavily discuss these, but rather simply announce them, with perhaps very brief discussion, to trigger the final vote.","commit_id":"262406ee1b222e39a55b700fc0d4d55bd878e1e0"},{"author":{"_account_id":7069,"name":"Joshua Hesketh","email":"josh@nitrotech.org","username":"jhesketh"},"change_message_id":"1e1e9d3b524a271f79a56d5c5a7c2a72ec6bb66e","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":152,"context_line":"  Those changes will be reviewed by the entire infrastructure team,"},{"line_number":153,"context_line":"  When a change to infra-specs is ready for final approval, the author"},{"line_number":154,"context_line":"  will add the change to the infra team meeting agenda and members of"},{"line_number":155,"context_line":"  the council will vote on the spec to approve or reject the change."},{"line_number":156,"context_line":"  The determination will be based on a majority vote, with members of"},{"line_number":157,"context_line":"  the infra-core team able to veto, and in the case of a tie, the PTL"},{"line_number":158,"context_line":"  will cast the deciding vote.  The PTL will execute the workflow"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"7a016987_616a54b5","line":155,"updated":"2015-05-17 15:50:05.000000000","message":"Would we use the gerrit votes as the votes on the spec? IMO that makes more sense than re-voting in a meeting (especially since more than just the council is in those meetings)","commit_id":"262406ee1b222e39a55b700fc0d4d55bd878e1e0"},{"author":{"_account_id":7069,"name":"Joshua Hesketh","email":"josh@nitrotech.org","username":"jhesketh"},"change_message_id":"943d219e29a66e9cc3e0ac6c5727f0eb5ebb6c74","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":152,"context_line":"  Those changes will be reviewed by the entire infrastructure team,"},{"line_number":153,"context_line":"  When a change to infra-specs is ready for final approval, the author"},{"line_number":154,"context_line":"  will add the change to the infra team meeting agenda and members of"},{"line_number":155,"context_line":"  the council will vote on the spec to approve or reject the change."},{"line_number":156,"context_line":"  The determination will be based on a majority vote, with members of"},{"line_number":157,"context_line":"  the infra-core team able to veto, and in the case of a tie, the PTL"},{"line_number":158,"context_line":"  will cast the deciding vote.  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Only the PTL can execute the workflow action.  Yes, I will update the ACLs to implement this.\n\nGood point on specs edits.  I\u0027d suggest that the PTL can decide whether it is a substantial change and needs another pass through the council or is a minor edit.","commit_id":"262406ee1b222e39a55b700fc0d4d55bd878e1e0"},{"author":{"_account_id":7118,"name":"Ian Wienand","email":"iwienand@redhat.com","username":"iwienand"},"change_message_id":"b48a86ac5caef0920fad49d79f501315b8de9a4a","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":161,"context_line":"Infrastructure Root Team"},{"line_number":162,"context_line":"  While core membership is analogous to the same system in other"},{"line_number":163,"context_line":"  OpenStack projects, because the infrastructure team operates"},{"line_number":164,"context_line":"  production servers, there is another sub-group of the infrastructure"},{"line_number":165,"context_line":"  team that has root access to all servers.  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