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This is a departure from our prior efforts where we attempted to make things like Puppet modules we used reconsumable. We discovered that the time and effort involved in supporting configuration options or deployment scenarios we don\u0027t use ourselves in our implementations, worrying about downstream consumers who might be broken by non-backward-compatible changes requiring manual intervention, and so forth was eating a disproportionately large amount of our time. We serve as an example of how these services can be run together, but I wouldn\u0027t want to imply that the way we operate these services is easily reused and modified.","commit_id":"e793b45483117db130e59d8246cd078f45518bc5"},{"author":{"_account_id":308,"name":"Thierry Carrez","email":"thierry@openstack.org","username":"ttx"},"change_message_id":"d863fbd045109818cce5ad401c5a626b3f26b53d","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":113,"context_line":"                    \u003cp\u003eOpendev is entirely built using open source software,"},{"line_number":114,"context_line":"but goes one step beyond: it is also openly operated. All its operation and"},{"line_number":115,"context_line":"configuration is also open source, lives in git, and is continuously-deployed."},{"line_number":116,"context_line":"In the spirit of open source, it is easy to study, replicate, modify and"},{"line_number":117,"context_line":"redistribute. 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