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This is now relevant as that is what became StarlingX.  What?  STX doesn\u0027t use DevStack?  Not for my lack of trying, I do have running STX services in DevStack (via plugins) and they still do need PostgreSQL...","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":2},{"id":"de33917bea82141d41d0b3749abbf56656a80228","author":{"_account_id":6873,"name":"Matt Riedemann","email":"mriedem.os@gmail.com","username":"mriedem"},"date":"2019-10-18 22:11:08.000000000","message":"Patch Set 2:\n\n\u003e I\u0027d like to add for completeness that Wind River was the other dissenting voice at the PSQL deprecation discussion.  This is now relevant as that is what became StarlingX.  What?  STX doesn\u0027t use DevStack?  Not for my lack of trying, I do have running STX services in DevStack (via plugins) and they still do need PostgreSQL...\n\nI knew windriver was using postgresql at some point in the past because cfriesen would let us know in nova if something was broken, but I thought windriver/starlingx eventually moved from pg to msyql.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":2},{"id":"1e7edf3bf269e9a29cfd37f8ded7140b6ae58a4d","author":{"_account_id":970,"name":"Dean Troyer","email":"dtroyer@gmail.com","username":"dtroyer"},"date":"2019-10-19 14:16:57.000000000","message":"Patch Set 2:\n\n\u003e but I thought windriver/starlingx eventually moved from pg to msyql.\n\nAt the moment the OpenStack bits in STX use MySQL, the additional (\u0027flock\u0027) services that WRS originally wrote have not been converted yet and are still pg.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":2}],"current_revision_number":2,"current_revision":"b14665f0dde0d0862d8755a796b9f680e42f790b","revisions":{"4d01ef6ccdf93095b8e1d7291ae13b71e8b68046":{"kind":"REWORK","_number":1,"created":"2019-10-17 19:34:05.000000000","uploader":{"_account_id":6873,"name":"Matt Riedemann","email":"mriedem.os@gmail.com","username":"mriedem"},"ref":"refs/changes/50/689250/1","fetch":{"anonymous http":{"url":"https://review.opendev.org/openstack/devstack","ref":"refs/changes/50/689250/1","commands":{"Checkout":"git fetch https://review.opendev.org/openstack/devstack refs/changes/50/689250/1 \u0026\u0026 git checkout FETCH_HEAD","Cherry Pick":"git fetch https://review.opendev.org/openstack/devstack refs/changes/50/689250/1 \u0026\u0026 git cherry-pick FETCH_HEAD","Format Patch":"git fetch https://review.opendev.org/openstack/devstack refs/changes/50/689250/1 \u0026\u0026 git format-patch -1 --stdout FETCH_HEAD","Pull":"git pull https://review.opendev.org/openstack/devstack refs/changes/50/689250/1"}}},"commit":{"parents":[{"commit":"168ca7f0a474f1207ee01dab0ca2e70f34783e9c","subject":"Remove deprecated PostgreSQL database driver","web_links":[{"name":"gitea","tooltip":"Open in GitWeb","url":"https://opendev.org/openstack/devstack/commit/168ca7f0a474f1207ee01dab0ca2e70f34783e9c"}]}],"author":{"name":"Matt Riedemann","email":"mriedem.os@gmail.com","date":"2019-10-17 19:34:05.000000000","tz":0},"committer":{"name":"Matt Riedemann","email":"mriedem.os@gmail.com","date":"2019-10-17 19:34:05.000000000","tz":0},"subject":"Revert \"Remove deprecated PostgreSQL database driver\"","message":"Revert \"Remove deprecated PostgreSQL database driver\"\n\nThis reverts commit 168ca7f0a474f1207ee01dab0ca2e70f34783e9c.\n\nRemoving postgresql support from devstack was unnecessary\nsince it\u0027s not broken and not causing maintenance issues\nas far as I know. 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