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We could drop \"official\" but we\u0027ve used that clarification elsewhere to differentiate them from stackforge projects and other things people do without submitting themselves to TC governance.","commit_id":"94984e29bac3117e3c871368203777d43cba01f6"},{"author":{"_account_id":964,"name":"Anne Gentle","email":"annegentle@justwriteclick.com","username":"annegentle"},"change_message_id":"e877c004d289f031a1747ca54b2b275a913f6921","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":39,"context_line":"#. The project team is managed in a way that improves its chances of"},{"line_number":40,"context_line":"   being healthy over a long period of time and has the"},{"line_number":41,"context_line":"   :ref:`tag-team:diverse-affiliation` tag."},{"line_number":42,"context_line":""},{"line_number":43,"context_line":".. 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The project team fulfills its commitment to users."},{"line_number":55,"context_line":""}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"7a016987_74f81f4a","line":52,"in_reply_to":"7a016987_cd3b84ea","updated":"2015-05-26 14:01:39.000000000","message":"I\u0027m not especially keen on the idea of trying to track all dependencies explicitly with tags, so I would prefer to keep the implementation detail out of the definition here.","commit_id":"94984e29bac3117e3c871368203777d43cba01f6"},{"author":{"_account_id":6159,"name":"Flavio Percoco Premoli","display_name":"flaper87","email":"flavio.percoco@flyrlabs.com","username":"flaper87"},"change_message_id":"038b01b2526d4f4eb512b5108ccf0e4015aa52c5","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":58,"context_line":"  #. The project team actively manages and responds to incoming bug"},{"line_number":59,"context_line":"     reports."},{"line_number":60,"context_line":"  #. 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The project team actively manages and responds to incoming bug"},{"line_number":59,"context_line":"     reports."},{"line_number":60,"context_line":"  #. The project team has a proven history of providing user support"},{"line_number":61,"context_line":"     (on the openstack@ mailing list and on Ask OpenStack)."},{"line_number":62,"context_line":"  #. The project supports upgrading from one stable release to the"},{"line_number":63,"context_line":"     next (for consumers of stable releases) and between commits on"},{"line_number":64,"context_line":"     the master branch (for consumers of the development release)."}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"7a016987_d488f3c8","line":61,"in_reply_to":"7a016987_09931751","updated":"2015-05-26 14:01:39.000000000","message":"I\u0027m not sure? This comes from an older document that may predate the creation of that list. Is that a place projects are expected to go to answer questions, now?","commit_id":"94984e29bac3117e3c871368203777d43cba01f6"},{"author":{"_account_id":308,"name":"Thierry Carrez","email":"thierry@openstack.org","username":"ttx"},"change_message_id":"1736047d1ad8c05b04e13db283be9ce2f4c9af55","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":61,"context_line":"     (on the openstack@ mailing list and on Ask OpenStack)."},{"line_number":62,"context_line":"  #. The project supports upgrading from one stable release to the"},{"line_number":63,"context_line":"     next (for consumers of stable releases) and between commits on"},{"line_number":64,"context_line":"     the master branch (for consumers of the development release)."},{"line_number":65,"context_line":""},{"line_number":66,"context_line":"#. 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I would like to move ahead with this phrasing until they do so, though.","commit_id":"94984e29bac3117e3c871368203777d43cba01f6"},{"author":{"_account_id":964,"name":"Anne Gentle","email":"annegentle@justwriteclick.com","username":"annegentle"},"change_message_id":"e877c004d289f031a1747ca54b2b275a913f6921","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":61,"context_line":"     (on the openstack@ mailing list and on Ask OpenStack)."},{"line_number":62,"context_line":"  #. The project supports upgrading from one stable release to the"},{"line_number":63,"context_line":"     next (for consumers of stable releases) and between commits on"},{"line_number":64,"context_line":"     the master branch (for consumers of the development release)."},{"line_number":65,"context_line":""},{"line_number":66,"context_line":"#. 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So I\u0027m advocating to remove this last list item until another tag can help.","commit_id":"94984e29bac3117e3c871368203777d43cba01f6"},{"author":{"_account_id":7,"name":"Jay Pipes","email":"jaypipes@gmail.com","username":"jaypipes"},"change_message_id":"858ccee89c3386544a82bcd95907ef7a4c28c5a1","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":61,"context_line":"     (on the openstack@ mailing list and on Ask OpenStack)."},{"line_number":62,"context_line":"  #. The project supports upgrading from one stable release to the"},{"line_number":63,"context_line":"     next (for consumers of stable releases) and between commits on"},{"line_number":64,"context_line":"     the master branch (for consumers of the development release)."},{"line_number":65,"context_line":""},{"line_number":66,"context_line":"#. 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I think that upgradeability is critically important, of course, but I believe that it is an implementation detail that belongs in an operational-maturity tag, not in the defcore definition tag...","commit_id":"94984e29bac3117e3c871368203777d43cba01f6"},{"author":{"_account_id":2472,"name":"Doug Hellmann","email":"dhellmann@redhat.com","username":"doug-hellmann"},"change_message_id":"bef70a0feb95ec31bc975d80c7d519653b275a17","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":61,"context_line":"     (on the openstack@ mailing list and on Ask OpenStack)."},{"line_number":62,"context_line":"  #. The project supports upgrading from one stable release to the"},{"line_number":63,"context_line":"     next (for consumers of stable releases) and between commits on"},{"line_number":64,"context_line":"     the master branch (for consumers of the development release)."},{"line_number":65,"context_line":""},{"line_number":66,"context_line":"#. 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So it might be nice to have a sanity measure of some sort.","commit_id":"94984e29bac3117e3c871368203777d43cba01f6"},{"author":{"_account_id":2472,"name":"Doug Hellmann","email":"dhellmann@redhat.com","username":"doug-hellmann"},"change_message_id":"bef70a0feb95ec31bc975d80c7d519653b275a17","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":69,"context_line":"  #. All contributors to the project must have signed the CLA."},{"line_number":70,"context_line":""},{"line_number":71,"context_line":"#. The TC considers the project suitable for consideration for"},{"line_number":72,"context_line":"   trademark use."},{"line_number":73,"context_line":""},{"line_number":74,"context_line":""},{"line_number":75,"context_line":"Tag application process"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"9af37de9_2f7ecae4","line":72,"in_reply_to":"9af37de9_0d879610","updated":"2015-05-11 15:28:05.000000000","message":"Yes, that\u0027s the idea. This tag is not going to be given to all projects, and I would like the TC to be able to exercise some judgement.","commit_id":"94984e29bac3117e3c871368203777d43cba01f6"},{"author":{"_account_id":7,"name":"Jay Pipes","email":"jaypipes@gmail.com","username":"jaypipes"},"change_message_id":"07c21c48858d011e4352b98a6c4729314229bef4","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":69,"context_line":"  #. All contributors to the project must have signed the CLA."},{"line_number":70,"context_line":""},{"line_number":71,"context_line":"#. 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But once we get into the realm of the purely subjective, then we will start to see lobbying activities and we will change the incentives for behaviour from that of achieving an objective set of required things to instead asking TC members in private what their \"thoughts are on whether our project can become part of the club\".","commit_id":"94984e29bac3117e3c871368203777d43cba01f6"},{"author":{"_account_id":7,"name":"Jay Pipes","email":"jaypipes@gmail.com","username":"jaypipes"},"change_message_id":"1a17c35da8aa4f562d3d524b4c695bf96cd4948d","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":69,"context_line":"  #. All contributors to the project must have signed the CLA."},{"line_number":70,"context_line":""},{"line_number":71,"context_line":"#. 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I\u0027d prefer to leave it off.","commit_id":"94984e29bac3117e3c871368203777d43cba01f6"},{"author":{"_account_id":308,"name":"Thierry Carrez","email":"thierry@openstack.org","username":"ttx"},"change_message_id":"1736047d1ad8c05b04e13db283be9ce2f4c9af55","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":79,"context_line":"proposing a change to the openstack/governance repository. 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Or review addition requests as they come ?","commit_id":"94984e29bac3117e3c871368203777d43cba01f6"},{"author":{"_account_id":2472,"name":"Doug Hellmann","email":"dhellmann@redhat.com","username":"doug-hellmann"},"change_message_id":"b20ad5bc36ae3e441171042ee88f79f8e8b50e50","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":79,"context_line":"proposing a change to the openstack/governance repository. 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The results are advice to the board, and can always be worked into the DefCore process on their regular schedule.","commit_id":"94984e29bac3117e3c871368203777d43cba01f6"},{"author":{"_account_id":2472,"name":"Doug Hellmann","email":"dhellmann@redhat.com","username":"doug-hellmann"},"change_message_id":"3725f64e13a1a2fa877a8943b713ba5b2f405688","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":88,"context_line":"Deprecation of the use of this tag is governed by the bylaws, the"},{"line_number":89,"context_line":"trademark policy set out by the board, and the procedures the Board"},{"line_number":90,"context_line":"and TC have agreed to follow for communicating changes to the"},{"line_number":91,"context_line":"\"Trademark Designated OpenStack Software\"."},{"line_number":92,"context_line":""},{"line_number":93,"context_line":".. note::"},{"line_number":94,"context_line":""}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"9a0c5dc1_20b017f4","line":91,"updated":"2015-05-12 20:27:57.000000000","message":"See section 4.1.b.ii","commit_id":"94984e29bac3117e3c871368203777d43cba01f6"}]}