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{"resolutions/20160705-stewardship.rst":[{"author":{"_account_id":308,"name":"Thierry Carrez","email":"thierry@openstack.org","username":"ttx"},"change_message_id":"a81629d7daa8bbed053cbb74625b59c723046775","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":42,"context_line":"The SWG will be responsible for producing actionable recommendations"},{"line_number":43,"context_line":"and improvements that the TC can then consider for adoption and roll"},{"line_number":44,"context_line":"out to the OpenStack community. The group will consist initially of"},{"line_number":45,"context_line":"people who attended the training in Ann Arbor. Anyone else interested"},{"line_number":46,"context_line":"in leadership, stewardship, and OpenStack is welcome to participate in"},{"line_number":47,"context_line":"discussions and work as well. Final decisions about any changes"},{"line_number":48,"context_line":"proposed by the SWG will be made by the TC."}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":2,"id":"1aa78d24_612dd094","line":45,"updated":"2016-07-06 09:11:39.000000000","message":"I\u0027m not sure we should force the initial membership. There may be people that were present in Ann Arbor who are not interested (or don\u0027t have time) to work on SWG (but would likely review its recommendations when they are formally presented at the TC). Maybe say something like: \"We invite all the people who attended the training in Ann Arbor to join the initial group. Anyone else interested [...]\"","commit_id":"10b636a06ef2221b3ec48f5c67d13b16927771b1"},{"author":{"_account_id":2472,"name":"Doug Hellmann","email":"dhellmann@redhat.com","username":"doug-hellmann"},"change_message_id":"41720bbad48c5c4f891185f38dfa28b8d58c3a10","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":21,"context_line":"OpenStack projects as a whole, and propose a set of improvements based"},{"line_number":22,"context_line":"on the training but tailored for our needs. We propose calling this"},{"line_number":23,"context_line":"group the \"Stewardship Working Group\" (SWG). The term \"stewardship\""},{"line_number":24,"context_line":"came up in the training program[1], and fits the purpose of this new"},{"line_number":25,"context_line":"working group and the \"Servant Leadership\" model used within our"},{"line_number":26,"context_line":"community, defined by Peter Block in the book by the same name [2]:"},{"line_number":27,"context_line":""}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":4,"id":"1aa78d24_33f655f9","line":24,"updated":"2016-07-06 20:02:09.000000000","message":"Rather than using the email-style footnote references, it would be better to just make these links. If you look at the rendered version of the RST, the references section below doesn\u0027t come out formatted nicely.\n\nhttp://docs-draft.openstack.org/95/337895/4/check/gate-governance-docs/ae93aaf//doc/build/html/resolutions/20160705-stewardship.html\n\nIf you would prefer to continue to use footnotes, at least set them up as RST footnotes following http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickref.html#footnotes","commit_id":"38281752542046a6d66667f24f859913c346962f"},{"author":{"_account_id":9664,"name":"amrith","email":"amrith.kumar@gmail.com","username":"amrith"},"change_message_id":"f74b5ae0e67b51a9950808c3348baa7887411eda","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":21,"context_line":"OpenStack projects as a whole, and propose a set of improvements based"},{"line_number":22,"context_line":"on the training but tailored for our needs. We propose calling this"},{"line_number":23,"context_line":"group the \"Stewardship Working Group\" (SWG). 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The participants agreed that some"},{"line_number":15,"context_line":"of the challenges that the TC faces could be improved by adopting and"},{"line_number":16,"context_line":"adapting some of the concepts discussed in the training."},{"line_number":17,"context_line":""}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":7,"id":"1aa78d24_b8115e54","line":14,"updated":"2016-07-07 11:48:20.000000000","message":"Nit: Zingerman\u0027s","commit_id":"d5367c01fb6816031b2e96863f9a94b786164093"},{"author":{"_account_id":11293,"name":"Alexis Monville","email":"alexis@monville.com","username":"alexis"},"change_message_id":"a6ce2339fb6dd2360f844f562208809355c214e0","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":38,"context_line":"community where leadership does not usually include explicit"},{"line_number":39,"context_line":"organizational authority, and has to be accomplished through agreement"},{"line_number":40,"context_line":"and consensus building."},{"line_number":41,"context_line":""},{"line_number":42,"context_line":"The SWG will be responsible for producing actionable recommendations"},{"line_number":43,"context_line":"and improvements that the TC can then consider for adoption and roll"},{"line_number":44,"context_line":"out to the OpenStack community. 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Perhaps use a solid date here? My strawman: August 15, which is the week before freezes start happening and gives us just over two months before summit to refine it.","commit_id":"d5367c01fb6816031b2e96863f9a94b786164093"},{"author":{"_account_id":10343,"name":"Jim Rollenhagen","email":"jim@jimrollenhagen.com","username":"jimrollenhagen"},"change_message_id":"30e39370d67c4e1418b74dcdf955ba44ea4573f9","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":56,"context_line":""},{"line_number":57,"context_line":".. [1] http://www.zingtrain.com/content/stewardship-building-power-without-using-authority"},{"line_number":58,"context_line":""},{"line_number":59,"context_line":".. [2] https://www.amazon.com/Stewardship-Choosing-Service-Over-Interest/dp/1881052869"},{"line_number":60,"context_line":""},{"line_number":61,"context_line":".. [3] https://www.bkconnection.com/static/Stewardship_2nd_EXCERPT.pdf"},{"line_number":62,"context_line":""}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":7,"id":"1aa78d24_f88ac662","line":59,"updated":"2016-07-07 11:48:20.000000000","message":"Amazon says there\u0027s a newer version: https://www.amazon.com/Stewardship-Choosing-Service-Over-Self-Interest/dp/160994822X","commit_id":"d5367c01fb6816031b2e96863f9a94b786164093"},{"author":{"_account_id":782,"name":"John Garbutt","email":"john@johngarbutt.com","username":"johngarbutt"},"change_message_id":"3f64280b666b690363ee103a4464fc10ff097ab0","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":37,"context_line":"The concept of stewardship is particularly relevant in the OpenStack"},{"line_number":38,"context_line":"community where leadership does not usually include explicit"},{"line_number":39,"context_line":"organizational authority, and has to be accomplished through agreement"},{"line_number":40,"context_line":"and consensus building."},{"line_number":41,"context_line":""},{"line_number":42,"context_line":"The SWG will be responsible for producing actionable recommendations"},{"line_number":43,"context_line":"and improvements that the TC can then consider for adoption and roll"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":8,"id":"1aa78d24_501b6e1b","line":40,"updated":"2016-07-11 09:13:31.000000000","message":"+1\n\nCouldn\u0027t agree more with these statements, and the need here.","commit_id":"803781435bddfd228a274c32a65afd77c3766c01"},{"author":{"_account_id":2284,"name":"Eoghan Glynn","email":"eglynn@redhat.com","username":"eglynn"},"change_message_id":"17b749703d1330739344f74a99450fb3139899d3","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":42,"context_line":"The SWG will be responsible for producing actionable recommendations"},{"line_number":43,"context_line":"and improvements that the TC can then consider for adoption and roll"},{"line_number":44,"context_line":"out to the OpenStack community. 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Anyone interested in leadership, stewardship, and OpenStack is welcome to join the working group. Final decisions about any changes proposed by the SWG will be made by the TC.\"\n\nI am of course totally biased, as I would *really* like to help with these activities, but I was unable to make that training due to annoying reasons that meant I needed to stay close to home that week :(\n\nI understand this group will be massively more productive with a small group giving recommendations to the TC, and that group all talking with a shared language, but I still think we could be more inclusive here.","commit_id":"803781435bddfd228a274c32a65afd77c3766c01"},{"author":{"_account_id":9664,"name":"amrith","email":"amrith.kumar@gmail.com","username":"amrith"},"change_message_id":"8694a9c7fd41a97b2404a442711c30d477983f88","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":42,"context_line":"The SWG will be responsible for producing actionable recommendations"},{"line_number":43,"context_line":"and improvements that the TC can then consider for adoption and roll"},{"line_number":44,"context_line":"out to the OpenStack community. 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