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I think these are plug-able cross project entities:\n\ndevstack\ndashboard\ntempest\n\nThese are plug-able project entities that I think you mean \"in-tree\" when you refer to them?\ndrivers (compute, storage, networking, others)\n\nThere are likely more but I think we\u0027ll need a more comprehensive list so that expectations are set and we have documented any decision that comes of this resolution.","commit_id":"3a7f76c5c293664da4d7e06f1e2ee210d58bf079"},{"author":{"_account_id":6159,"name":"Flavio Percoco Premoli","display_name":"flaper87","email":"flavio.percoco@flyrlabs.com","username":"flaper87"},"change_message_id":"c5fb3bd9f63b37bd429656c348052c5cdb36c086","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":15,"context_line":"As this has progressed, the load placed on horizontal teams has grown at an"},{"line_number":16,"context_line":"exponential rate. 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I need more concrete info to understand this proposal.","commit_id":"3a7f76c5c293664da4d7e06f1e2ee210d58bf079"},{"author":{"_account_id":8099,"name":"Graham Hayes","email":"gr@ham.ie","username":"graham"},"change_message_id":"057e9324cfe4e6c0463b8b347ac5c3933c6aa7b8","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":20,"context_line":"Unfortunately, this has resulted in a patch work of things that are available"},{"line_number":21,"context_line":"to projects, and a weird collection of \"core-ish\" projects that are allowed"},{"line_number":22,"context_line":"in-tree, and have access to a lot of resources, and \"big-tent\" projects that"},{"line_number":23,"context_line":"have to use a plug-in model."},{"line_number":24,"context_line":""},{"line_number":25,"context_line":"This has resulted in smaller projects (or projects that were not"},{"line_number":26,"context_line":"\"integrated\" at the time of the reform) having to navigate a difficult"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"dada55a8_ce6893bd","line":23,"in_reply_to":"dada55a8_cfec3192","updated":"2016-07-18 14:46:26.000000000","message":"Yes, and I disagreed with that resolution, for a few of reasons, this being one of them.\n\nThere are *some* parts of tempest that are moving to the plugin, but not all, which will always result in inequalities.\n\nIf all projects use the same interface, it is a lot easier to identify pain points, and catch them early.","commit_id":"3a7f76c5c293664da4d7e06f1e2ee210d58bf079"},{"author":{"_account_id":2472,"name":"Doug Hellmann","email":"dhellmann@redhat.com","username":"doug-hellmann"},"change_message_id":"a44fa26a16d0eccb086c207e007c893d73d958ec","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":20,"context_line":"Unfortunately, this has resulted in a patch work of things that are available"},{"line_number":21,"context_line":"to projects, and a weird collection of \"core-ish\" projects that are allowed"},{"line_number":22,"context_line":"in-tree, and have access to a lot of resources, and \"big-tent\" projects that"},{"line_number":23,"context_line":"have to use a plug-in model."},{"line_number":24,"context_line":""},{"line_number":25,"context_line":"This has resulted in smaller projects (or projects that were not"},{"line_number":26,"context_line":"\"integrated\" at the time of the reform) having to navigate a difficult"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"dada55a8_cfec3192","line":23,"in_reply_to":"fad55976_07dd8942","updated":"2016-07-17 15:00:46.000000000","message":"Some of these distinctions are by design. See the recent resolution related to tempest and defcore, for example. \n\nhttp://governance.openstack.org/resolutions/20160504-defcore-test-location.html\n\nOthers, based on the mailing list discussion, sound like work that is in-progress or otherwise incomplete but not intended to provide a different level of access permanently. Is my impression wrong?","commit_id":"3a7f76c5c293664da4d7e06f1e2ee210d58bf079"},{"author":{"_account_id":8099,"name":"Graham Hayes","email":"gr@ham.ie","username":"graham"},"change_message_id":"3869e3d681aefe7d34b62a850de98939b1f14338","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":20,"context_line":"Unfortunately, this has resulted in a patch work of things that are available"},{"line_number":21,"context_line":"to projects, and a weird collection of \"core-ish\" projects that are allowed"},{"line_number":22,"context_line":"in-tree, and have access to a lot of resources, and \"big-tent\" projects that"},{"line_number":23,"context_line":"have to use a plug-in model."},{"line_number":24,"context_line":""},{"line_number":25,"context_line":"This has resulted in smaller projects (or projects that were not"},{"line_number":26,"context_line":"\"integrated\" at the time of the reform) having to navigate a difficult"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"fad55976_07dd8942","line":23,"in_reply_to":"fad55976_e445d617","updated":"2016-07-15 17:16:12.000000000","message":"OK, that is badly worded.\n\nThere is projects that keep code for cross project integrations inside their project, and allow this code access to their internal API, or other resources. - This is in-tree.\n\nfor example: \n\n - tempest\n - docs\n - horizon\n - openstack client \n\nare examples (not all of them, but the ones off the top of my head right now)\n\nSome of them also allow other projects (who are not allowed to put code where the \"in-tree\" sections) to integrate using plugins.\n\nFor example, the project install guide.\n\nThe project install guide plugins are different to the install guides that are in openstack manuals repository, and cannot use some directives.\n\nIf we moved all of the docs to use the same install guide plugin, all projects would be subject to the same restrictions, and as new features were developed, all projects will get access to them at the same time.","commit_id":"3a7f76c5c293664da4d7e06f1e2ee210d58bf079"},{"author":{"_account_id":6159,"name":"Flavio Percoco Premoli","display_name":"flaper87","email":"flavio.percoco@flyrlabs.com","username":"flaper87"},"change_message_id":"c5fb3bd9f63b37bd429656c348052c5cdb36c086","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":33,"context_line":"We are now at a crossroads as a community - we are starting to advertise and"},{"line_number":34,"context_line":"markert a \"core\" set of projects, and more of the horizontal teams are moving"},{"line_number":35,"context_line":"\"big tent\" projects towards plugins, while leaving \"core\" (not necessarily the"},{"line_number":36,"context_line":"same set of \"core\") projects as in-tree."},{"line_number":37,"context_line":""},{"line_number":38,"context_line":"We can move to a defined two tier system  calling them \"core\" and \"big tent\","},{"line_number":39,"context_line":"or we can continue with the plan from 2014 of a collection of projects that"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"dada55a8_cbe7e510","line":36,"updated":"2016-07-18 14:27:22.000000000","message":"It stroke me as odd the use of term \"core\" here. Could you elaborate more on what you mean by \"core projects\" ?","commit_id":"3a7f76c5c293664da4d7e06f1e2ee210d58bf079"},{"author":{"_account_id":8099,"name":"Graham Hayes","email":"gr@ham.ie","username":"graham"},"change_message_id":"e2ef96e03d19e76cd99431ca18a09b30aa98d5ba","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":33,"context_line":"We are now at a crossroads as a community - we are starting to advertise and"},{"line_number":34,"context_line":"markert a \"core\" set of projects, and more of the horizontal teams are moving"},{"line_number":35,"context_line":"\"big tent\" projects towards plugins, while leaving \"core\" (not necessarily the"},{"line_number":36,"context_line":"same set of \"core\") projects as in-tree."},{"line_number":37,"context_line":""},{"line_number":38,"context_line":"We can move to a defined two tier system  calling them \"core\" and \"big tent\","},{"line_number":39,"context_line":"or we can continue with the plan from 2014 of a collection of projects that"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"dada55a8_3a088991","line":36,"updated":"2016-07-22 18:47:57.000000000","message":"OK, I can remove the term core - legacy core? legacy integrated? privileged projects?","commit_id":"3a7f76c5c293664da4d7e06f1e2ee210d58bf079"},{"author":{"_account_id":8099,"name":"Graham Hayes","email":"gr@ham.ie","username":"graham"},"change_message_id":"c1728298eada29da70670864104385a5d6bb00b0","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":33,"context_line":"We are now at a crossroads as a community - we are starting to advertise and"},{"line_number":34,"context_line":"markert a \"core\" set of projects, and more of the horizontal teams are moving"},{"line_number":35,"context_line":"\"big tent\" projects towards plugins, while leaving \"core\" (not necessarily the"},{"line_number":36,"context_line":"same set of \"core\") projects as in-tree."},{"line_number":37,"context_line":""},{"line_number":38,"context_line":"We can move to a defined two tier system  calling them \"core\" and \"big tent\","},{"line_number":39,"context_line":"or we can continue with the plan from 2014 of a collection of projects that"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"dada55a8_2d201ab0","line":36,"in_reply_to":"dada55a8_3a088991","updated":"2016-07-25 14:09:44.000000000","message":"Done","commit_id":"3a7f76c5c293664da4d7e06f1e2ee210d58bf079"},{"author":{"_account_id":8099,"name":"Graham Hayes","email":"gr@ham.ie","username":"graham"},"change_message_id":"057e9324cfe4e6c0463b8b347ac5c3933c6aa7b8","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":33,"context_line":"We are now at a crossroads as a community - we are starting to advertise and"},{"line_number":34,"context_line":"markert a \"core\" set of projects, and more of the horizontal teams are moving"},{"line_number":35,"context_line":"\"big tent\" projects towards plugins, while leaving \"core\" (not necessarily the"},{"line_number":36,"context_line":"same set of \"core\") projects as in-tree."},{"line_number":37,"context_line":""},{"line_number":38,"context_line":"We can move to a defined two tier system  calling them \"core\" and \"big tent\","},{"line_number":39,"context_line":"or we can continue with the plan from 2014 of a collection of projects that"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"dada55a8_ee69178d","line":36,"in_reply_to":"dada55a8_cbe7e510","updated":"2016-07-18 14:46:26.000000000","message":"The project navigator has \"core projects\" highlighted, and the term is used quite a lot by projects - usually to refer to the things that split out of nova + swift, but that does change depending on who uses the term.","commit_id":"3a7f76c5c293664da4d7e06f1e2ee210d58bf079"},{"author":{"_account_id":6159,"name":"Flavio Percoco Premoli","display_name":"flaper87","email":"flavio.percoco@flyrlabs.com","username":"flaper87"},"change_message_id":"b96ba1fcfb0003f21b57d2700be2865bb8f65964","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":33,"context_line":"We are now at a crossroads as a community - we are starting to advertise and"},{"line_number":34,"context_line":"markert a \"core\" set of projects, and more of the horizontal teams are moving"},{"line_number":35,"context_line":"\"big tent\" projects towards plugins, while leaving \"core\" (not necessarily the"},{"line_number":36,"context_line":"same set of \"core\") projects as in-tree."},{"line_number":37,"context_line":""},{"line_number":38,"context_line":"We can move to a defined two tier system  calling them \"core\" and \"big tent\","},{"line_number":39,"context_line":"or we can continue with the plan from 2014 of a collection of projects that"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"dada55a8_89c66c47","line":36,"in_reply_to":"dada55a8_ee69178d","updated":"2016-07-19 09:19:45.000000000","message":"Note that the project navigator is not directly managed by the developers community nor the TC. We can certainly recommend not using the term (and I believe we have) but that\u0027s not our call.\n\nI\u0027d prefer not to use the term core as it is commonly related to the old integrated release model that we\u0027ve moved away from.","commit_id":"3a7f76c5c293664da4d7e06f1e2ee210d58bf079"},{"author":{"_account_id":6159,"name":"Flavio Percoco Premoli","display_name":"flaper87","email":"flavio.percoco@flyrlabs.com","username":"flaper87"},"change_message_id":"c5fb3bd9f63b37bd429656c348052c5cdb36c086","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":43,"context_line":"---------------"},{"line_number":44,"context_line":""},{"line_number":45,"context_line":"As a community we decide that the OpenStack project is a collection of equal"},{"line_number":46,"context_line":"projects and as such no single project should have an advantage over others."},{"line_number":47,"context_line":""},{"line_number":48,"context_line":"From the `BasicDesignTenants`_ :"},{"line_number":49,"context_line":""}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"dada55a8_0b773d3b","line":46,"updated":"2016-07-18 14:27:22.000000000","message":"I\u0027m curious to know if there\u0027s a feeling that not all projects are the same and where that is coming from. 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Which, tempest plugins are not supposed to do).\n\nWe can use docs, but only little bits - most of your docs have to go in \"docs.openstack.org/developer/\u003cproject\u003e\"","commit_id":"3a7f76c5c293664da4d7e06f1e2ee210d58bf079"},{"author":{"_account_id":6159,"name":"Flavio Percoco Premoli","display_name":"flaper87","email":"flavio.percoco@flyrlabs.com","username":"flaper87"},"change_message_id":"b96ba1fcfb0003f21b57d2700be2865bb8f65964","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":43,"context_line":"---------------"},{"line_number":44,"context_line":""},{"line_number":45,"context_line":"As a community we decide that the OpenStack project is a collection of equal"},{"line_number":46,"context_line":"projects and as such no single project should have an advantage over others."},{"line_number":47,"context_line":""},{"line_number":48,"context_line":"From the `BasicDesignTenants`_ :"},{"line_number":49,"context_line":""}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"dada55a8_e9aba81b","line":46,"in_reply_to":"dada55a8_2e17afa4","updated":"2016-07-19 09:19:45.000000000","message":"I think I get it now:\n\n    Well, coming from a smaller non tc-approved-release\n    project - yes there is a feeling that not all projects \n    are the same.\n\nThe `tc-approved-release` tag does not imply that projects should be used/treated differently. 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