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You can\u0027t contemplate retiring Glance (or Neutron, or Keystone) without also retiring Nova. Since Nova is alive and kicking, the TC should find a volunteer for taking Glance over (maintain it as an investment opportunity to get new blood in), rather than propose its retirement.\n\nDependency (and usage in the wild) are the key elements in deciding whether a given trigger should result in retiring a project or encouraging more resources to step up. If we are not mentioning it, then it\u0027s hard to call this \"guidelines\".","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":3},{"id":"06355b08711a803ae98237e0fa076258ca4fab60","author":{"_account_id":17068,"name":"Jean-Philippe Evrard","email":"openstack@a.spamming.party","username":"evrardjp"},"date":"2020-02-26 11:52:00.000000000","message":"Patch Set 3:\n\n\u003e @JP: could you elaborate on your doubts?\n \u003e \n \u003e The Dependency rule sounds obvious to me: you can\u0027t retire a\n \u003e component that has reverse dependencies unless you also retire the\n \u003e dependent components.\n \u003e \n \u003e Example: imagine Glance has no Victoria PTL candidate. You can\u0027t\n \u003e contemplate retiring Glance (or Neutron, or Keystone) without also\n \u003e retiring Nova. Since Nova is alive and kicking, the TC should find\n \u003e a volunteer for taking Glance over (maintain it as an investment\n \u003e opportunity to get new blood in), rather than propose its\n \u003e retirement.\n\nNot really. This is a team we are talking about, not only a deliverable.\n\nLet\u0027s take an example of what could be done (I am exaggerating here for the sake of the exercise, I don\u0027t expect this scenario to happen):\n- Glance gets no traction, no folks contributing\n- Nova team (let\u0027s say Nova is the only team interested in glance\u0027s work in this hypothetical case) acquires the glance repos in its team.\n- Glance team get retired\n- Nova team does whatever it wants with glance repo to make sure things are sustainable for them.\n\nThat sounds acceptable to me, but doesn\u0027t meet your current criteria, as we couldn\u0027t disband it, because the team is marked critical. My concern is only in how people will read this...\n\n \u003e Dependency (and usage in the wild) are the key elements in deciding\n \u003e whether a given trigger should result in retiring a project or\n \u003e encouraging more resources to step up. If we are not mentioning it,\n \u003e then it\u0027s hard to call this \"guidelines\".\n\nI agree. I think it\u0027s a question of wording here.\n\nThe fact that a unique team (A) relies on another team\u0027s (B) deliverables shouldn\u0027t prevent the disbanding of team B. However, if there is a team C also relying on team B\u0027s deliverables, then we should probably keep it as a separate team. I can\u0027t imagine disbanding oslo team for example.\n\nIf we replace \"If the project is a dependency of other projects\" by \"If the project is a dependency of more than a single project\", it\u0027s already better, though not perfect:\nThe teams A and C should be able to could discuss together and decide to disband B anyway. I am afraid that the current wording focuses on _who will step up to become the B team\" instead of \"what are the next steps for a sustainable ecosystem, particularly for teams A and C\".","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":3},{"id":"d45a60e27bc2e28026bc7dfa33a909fb5c4b0240","author":{"_account_id":308,"name":"Thierry Carrez","email":"thierry@openstack.org","username":"ttx"},"date":"2020-02-26 13:02:14.000000000","message":"Patch Set 3:\n\n@JP The case you describe is more akin to a team merge (Nova+Glance\u003dNova) than a disband. Also this is just guidelines... what should trigger a discussion, and things to consider in making a decision. It is meant to help making a decision, not make a decision by itself. I think the wording (\"inquiry\", \"opportunity\", \"guidelines\") make it clear this is not hard rules.\n\nThe main goal here is to explain that some projects are better kept dead than burning out a community member on saving them (where their energy would be better spent on more critical projects).","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":3},{"id":"b6d7d0d27fb9791b16b11820bff1c09de6d2bcc4","author":{"_account_id":308,"name":"Thierry Carrez","email":"thierry@openstack.org","username":"ttx"},"date":"2020-02-26 13:05:34.000000000","message":"Patch Set 3:\n\nIn summary, this is just guidelines. The TC decides. You can still disband a team (or merge teams) even if they are critical. You can still keep a team where their deliverable is not used and not a dependency. \n\nThis is just a list of things to consider in making those sorts of calls.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":3},{"id":"ce0db81b7c0f6fad7d4a01a80e5ff8d6fb52bb00","author":{"_account_id":8556,"name":"Ghanshyam Maan","display_name":"Ghanshyam Maan","email":"gmaan.os14@gmail.com","username":"ghanshyam"},"date":"2020-02-26 17:56:02.000000000","message":"Patch Set 3: Rollcall-Vote+1\n\nlgtm","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":3},{"id":"4ecd7f62877bf5ca429882dfcdccb88b09d99ebc","author":{"_account_id":10607,"name":"Alexandra Settle","email":"a.settle@outlook.com","username":"asettle"},"date":"2020-02-27 09:54:55.000000000","message":"Patch Set 3: Rollcall-Vote+1","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":3},{"id":"00a860080ee3627a98ee5ce02fc714dfd832c95c","author":{"_account_id":12404,"name":"Rico Lin","email":"ricolin@ricolky.com","username":"rico.lin"},"date":"2020-02-27 10:04:44.000000000","message":"Patch Set 3: Rollcall-Vote+1","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":3},{"id":"d408390195eefd83f6e31652196e089f2dc54cf9","author":{"_account_id":17068,"name":"Jean-Philippe Evrard","email":"openstack@a.spamming.party","username":"evrardjp"},"date":"2020-02-28 08:08:01.000000000","message":"Patch Set 3:\n\n\u003e In summary, this is just guidelines. The TC decides. You can still\n \u003e disband a team (or merge teams) even if they are critical. You can\n \u003e still keep a team where their deliverable is not used and not a\n \u003e dependency.\n \u003e \n \u003e This is just a list of things to consider in making those sorts of\n \u003e calls.\n\nIf everyone reads it like this, it\u0027s perfect then.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":3},{"id":"dff8c7c8e59c4e17dc37bf0e9e67cbce4051d442","author":{"_account_id":17068,"name":"Jean-Philippe Evrard","email":"openstack@a.spamming.party","username":"evrardjp"},"date":"2020-02-28 08:08:42.000000000","message":"Patch Set 3: Rollcall-Vote+1\n\nok for me.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":3},{"id":"9ce7b881a5734ae80af5af32062a05de75533f62","author":{"_account_id":17068,"name":"Jean-Philippe Evrard","email":"openstack@a.spamming.party","username":"evrardjp"},"date":"2020-03-04 08:58:52.000000000","message":"Patch Set 3: 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