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I do think that signals like \"did not attend the past 10 weekly meetings\" is a one we could start using.","commit_id":"a9a1b07f83b102141765f00faca1ec6f77d40ece"},{"author":{"_account_id":7198,"name":"Jay Bryant","email":"jungleboyj@electronicjungle.net","username":"jsbryant"},"change_message_id":"d217ead5335908cae2af0945328d6671706c9ab7","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":26,"context_line":"* Involvement is very little during office hours."},{"line_number":27,"context_line":"* The TC is not getting things done quickly; it takes too long to merge changes,"},{"line_number":28,"context_line":"  and to meet once a month means following up on progress is very slow."},{"line_number":29,"context_line":"* Engagement is minimum; there is almost no conversations are happening now."},{"line_number":30,"context_line":""},{"line_number":31,"context_line":"Additionally, without regular meetings, the TC lost essential aspects that can"},{"line_number":32,"context_line":"be brought back with the weekly meetings, for instance:"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":3,"id":"9f560f44_efcc1c64","line":29,"range":{"start_line":29,"start_character":57,"end_line":29,"end_character":62},"updated":"2020-09-14 16:02:58.000000000","message":"should remove \u0027are\u0027 here.","commit_id":"a9a1b07f83b102141765f00faca1ec6f77d40ece"},{"author":{"_account_id":17068,"name":"Jean-Philippe Evrard","email":"openstack@a.spamming.party","username":"evrardjp"},"change_message_id":"1111204e8eb0c437856c49cce9978056398729b2","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":28,"context_line":"  and to meet once a month means following up on progress is very slow."},{"line_number":29,"context_line":"* Engagement is minimum; there is almost no conversations are happening now."},{"line_number":30,"context_line":""},{"line_number":31,"context_line":"Additionally, without regular meetings, the TC lost essential aspects that can"},{"line_number":32,"context_line":"be brought back with the weekly meetings, for instance:"},{"line_number":33,"context_line":""},{"line_number":34,"context_line":"* A quorum of the TC is required to hold the meeting."}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":3,"id":"9f560f44_a5211b50","line":31,"range":{"start_line":31,"start_character":14,"end_line":31,"end_character":38},"updated":"2020-09-08 08:15:31.000000000","message":"The TC has regular meetings, its frequency being once per month.","commit_id":"a9a1b07f83b102141765f00faca1ec6f77d40ece"},{"author":{"_account_id":1004,"name":"Mohammed Naser","email":"mnaser@vexxhost.com","username":"mnaser"},"change_message_id":"8952dc088126771425d5b7508abffc75054b3f7e","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":28,"context_line":"  and to meet once a month means following up on progress is very slow."},{"line_number":29,"context_line":"* Engagement is minimum; there is almost no conversations are happening now."},{"line_number":30,"context_line":""},{"line_number":31,"context_line":"Additionally, without regular meetings, the TC lost essential aspects that can"},{"line_number":32,"context_line":"be brought back with the weekly meetings, for instance:"},{"line_number":33,"context_line":""},{"line_number":34,"context_line":"* A quorum of the TC is required to hold the meeting."}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":3,"id":"9f560f44_116005a5","line":31,"range":{"start_line":31,"start_character":14,"end_line":31,"end_character":38},"in_reply_to":"9f560f44_a5211b50","updated":"2020-09-08 12:04:25.000000000","message":"once every month is not enough","commit_id":"a9a1b07f83b102141765f00faca1ec6f77d40ece"},{"author":{"_account_id":17068,"name":"Jean-Philippe Evrard","email":"openstack@a.spamming.party","username":"evrardjp"},"change_message_id":"1111204e8eb0c437856c49cce9978056398729b2","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":31,"context_line":"Additionally, without regular meetings, the TC lost essential aspects that can"},{"line_number":32,"context_line":"be brought back with the weekly meetings, for instance:"},{"line_number":33,"context_line":""},{"line_number":34,"context_line":"* A quorum of the TC is required to hold the meeting."},{"line_number":35,"context_line":"* The meeting agenda is a reasonably concise summary of what the TC is doing."},{"line_number":36,"context_line":"* The IRC logs of the meeting read alongside Gerrit are a good record of the"},{"line_number":37,"context_line":"  debate."}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":3,"id":"9f560f44_25050bc3","line":34,"range":{"start_line":34,"start_character":2,"end_line":34,"end_character":53},"updated":"2020-09-08 08:15:31.000000000","message":"I am not sure to understand this as a current challenge: Did we recently have meeting that didn\u0027t meet quorums? Is that a one-off (holidays?), or do we have to regularily cancel tc official meetings due to quorum not being met? (AFAIK, it\u0027s not the case). Maybe I am just misunderstanding this sentence.","commit_id":"a9a1b07f83b102141765f00faca1ec6f77d40ece"},{"author":{"_account_id":1004,"name":"Mohammed Naser","email":"mnaser@vexxhost.com","username":"mnaser"},"change_message_id":"8952dc088126771425d5b7508abffc75054b3f7e","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":31,"context_line":"Additionally, without regular meetings, the TC lost essential aspects that can"},{"line_number":32,"context_line":"be brought back with the weekly meetings, for instance:"},{"line_number":33,"context_line":""},{"line_number":34,"context_line":"* A quorum of the TC is required to hold the meeting."},{"line_number":35,"context_line":"* The meeting agenda is a reasonably concise summary of what the TC is doing."},{"line_number":36,"context_line":"* The IRC logs of the meeting read alongside Gerrit are a good record of the"},{"line_number":37,"context_line":"  debate."}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":3,"id":"9f560f44_71706173","line":34,"range":{"start_line":34,"start_character":2,"end_line":34,"end_character":53},"in_reply_to":"9f560f44_25050bc3","updated":"2020-09-08 12:04:25.000000000","message":"no, changes are not getting enough votes so they take a long time, TC-level efforts are taking a long time because we can\u0027t follow up on them, we cant just keep slowing down and become irrelevant.","commit_id":"a9a1b07f83b102141765f00faca1ec6f77d40ece"},{"author":{"_account_id":17068,"name":"Jean-Philippe Evrard","email":"openstack@a.spamming.party","username":"evrardjp"},"change_message_id":"1111204e8eb0c437856c49cce9978056398729b2","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":33,"context_line":""},{"line_number":34,"context_line":"* A quorum of the TC is required to hold the meeting."},{"line_number":35,"context_line":"* The meeting agenda is a reasonably concise summary of what the TC is doing."},{"line_number":36,"context_line":"* The IRC logs of the meeting read alongside Gerrit are a good record of the"},{"line_number":37,"context_line":"  debate."},{"line_number":38,"context_line":"* The meeting can be a quick way to reach out to the TC members to discuss how"},{"line_number":39,"context_line":"  to move a particular proposal or idea forward."},{"line_number":40,"context_line":"* The meeting is an instrument to make time to resolve disagreements and build"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":3,"id":"9f560f44_c5140fec","line":37,"range":{"start_line":36,"start_character":0,"end_line":37,"end_character":9},"updated":"2020-09-08 08:15:31.000000000","message":"I agree that a live debate is probably better than some email thread sometimes. 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It took 2 weeks to come up with 2 timeslots for an office hour.","commit_id":"a9a1b07f83b102141765f00faca1ec6f77d40ece"},{"author":{"_account_id":17068,"name":"Jean-Philippe Evrard","email":"openstack@a.spamming.party","username":"evrardjp"},"change_message_id":"1111204e8eb0c437856c49cce9978056398729b2","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":35,"context_line":"* The meeting agenda is a reasonably concise summary of what the TC is doing."},{"line_number":36,"context_line":"* The IRC logs of the meeting read alongside Gerrit are a good record of the"},{"line_number":37,"context_line":"  debate."},{"line_number":38,"context_line":"* The meeting can be a quick way to reach out to the TC members to discuss how"},{"line_number":39,"context_line":"  to move a particular proposal or idea forward."},{"line_number":40,"context_line":"* The meeting is an instrument to make time to resolve disagreements and build"},{"line_number":41,"context_line":"  consensus around the particular topics that need progress."},{"line_number":42,"context_line":"* The meeting provides a weekly rhythm that forces TC members to regularly pay"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":3,"id":"9f560f44_85e33705","line":39,"range":{"start_line":38,"start_character":0,"end_line":39,"end_character":48},"updated":"2020-09-08 08:15:31.000000000","message":"I don\u0027t disagree. But personally, I am reachable for the community anytime: Just ping me on the channel, and we can set up a meeting that suits a good time for participants (depends on the case, it\u0027s not a general rule).","commit_id":"a9a1b07f83b102141765f00faca1ec6f77d40ece"},{"author":{"_account_id":1004,"name":"Mohammed Naser","email":"mnaser@vexxhost.com","username":"mnaser"},"change_message_id":"8952dc088126771425d5b7508abffc75054b3f7e","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":35,"context_line":"* The meeting agenda is a reasonably concise summary of what the TC is doing."},{"line_number":36,"context_line":"* The IRC logs of the meeting read alongside Gerrit are a good record of the"},{"line_number":37,"context_line":"  debate."},{"line_number":38,"context_line":"* The meeting can be a quick way to reach out to the TC members to discuss how"},{"line_number":39,"context_line":"  to move a particular proposal or idea forward."},{"line_number":40,"context_line":"* The meeting is an instrument to make time to resolve disagreements and build"},{"line_number":41,"context_line":"  consensus around the particular topics that need progress."},{"line_number":42,"context_line":"* The meeting provides a weekly rhythm that forces TC members to regularly pay"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":3,"id":"9f560f44_3110a900","line":39,"range":{"start_line":38,"start_character":0,"end_line":39,"end_character":48},"in_reply_to":"9f560f44_85e33705","updated":"2020-09-08 12:04:25.000000000","message":"+1","commit_id":"a9a1b07f83b102141765f00faca1ec6f77d40ece"},{"author":{"_account_id":17068,"name":"Jean-Philippe Evrard","email":"openstack@a.spamming.party","username":"evrardjp"},"change_message_id":"1111204e8eb0c437856c49cce9978056398729b2","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":37,"context_line":"  debate."},{"line_number":38,"context_line":"* The meeting can be a quick way to reach out to the TC members to discuss how"},{"line_number":39,"context_line":"  to move a particular proposal or idea forward."},{"line_number":40,"context_line":"* The meeting is an instrument to make time to resolve disagreements and build"},{"line_number":41,"context_line":"  consensus around the particular topics that need progress."},{"line_number":42,"context_line":"* The meeting provides a weekly rhythm that forces TC members to regularly pay"},{"line_number":43,"context_line":"  attention to TC initiatives and keep their efforts progressing."},{"line_number":44,"context_line":"* It’s a known time when other parts of the community can show up and interact"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":3,"id":"9f560f44_e5c5d35d","line":41,"range":{"start_line":40,"start_character":3,"end_line":41,"end_character":60},"updated":"2020-09-08 08:15:31.000000000","message":"100% agree. This is great to sync and talk. I am just wondering if we shouldn\u0027t have a mixed model: keeping the office hours to give progress, make it more visible, get the TC members attendance, and if necessary have extra meetings for official records.","commit_id":"a9a1b07f83b102141765f00faca1ec6f77d40ece"},{"author":{"_account_id":1004,"name":"Mohammed Naser","email":"mnaser@vexxhost.com","username":"mnaser"},"change_message_id":"8952dc088126771425d5b7508abffc75054b3f7e","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":37,"context_line":"  debate."},{"line_number":38,"context_line":"* The meeting can be a quick way to reach out to the TC members to discuss how"},{"line_number":39,"context_line":"  to move a particular proposal or idea forward."},{"line_number":40,"context_line":"* The meeting is an instrument to make time to resolve disagreements and build"},{"line_number":41,"context_line":"  consensus around the particular topics that need progress."},{"line_number":42,"context_line":"* The meeting provides a weekly 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I like the idea of bringing more visibility to our IRC time.\n\nI think that might be the problem to fix with the current office hours, which were not active enough IMO.\n\nDo you mean by this sentence that moving the office hours to a meeting would positively change the attendance and participation of non-TC members, just because it\u0027s recorded (and declared as official \"meeting\")?","commit_id":"a9a1b07f83b102141765f00faca1ec6f77d40ece"},{"author":{"_account_id":1004,"name":"Mohammed Naser","email":"mnaser@vexxhost.com","username":"mnaser"},"change_message_id":"8952dc088126771425d5b7508abffc75054b3f7e","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":64,"context_line":"* It is in-line with all the other teams inside OpenStack, who all meet once a"},{"line_number":65,"context_line":"  week."},{"line_number":66,"context_line":"* The TC would be listening to several community members, OSF executives and"},{"line_number":67,"context_line":"  board members, who have expressed the importance and visibility into it."}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":3,"id":"9f560f44_31b709f8","line":67,"in_reply_to":"9f560f44_25e98b19","updated":"2020-09-08 12:04:25.000000000","message":"we don\u0027t take roll call in office hours, we don\u0027t have any structure there.  see points above","commit_id":"a9a1b07f83b102141765f00faca1ec6f77d40ece"}]}