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This patch matches the diff Allison put together, and brings into the TC charter the key points that are being removed from the OIF bylaws.","commit_id":"760a1cd494369ab6c75a7f741693c21e76ae6fcd"},{"author":{"_account_id":13252,"name":"Dr. Jens Harbott","display_name":"Jens Harbott (frickler)","email":"frickler@offenerstapel.de","username":"jrosenboom"},"change_message_id":"851c0adeff5be85c3e4050932699788f9cc56f55","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":1,"id":"c561222d_ca4af1a7","updated":"2023-12-14 07:27:46.000000000","message":"These are more question than hard objections, still putting -1 down for visibility","commit_id":"760a1cd494369ab6c75a7f741693c21e76ae6fcd"},{"author":{"_account_id":8556,"name":"Ghanshyam Maan","display_name":"Ghanshyam Maan","email":"gmaan.os14@gmail.com","username":"ghanshyam"},"change_message_id":"db83713f11a5d280a9ce575107645678ff6b0ee2","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":1,"id":"ceb8ffef_aee0c48f","updated":"2024-01-03 21:35:30.000000000","message":"adding my vote too on this.","commit_id":"760a1cd494369ab6c75a7f741693c21e76ae6fcd"}],"reference/charter.rst":[{"author":{"_account_id":13252,"name":"Dr. Jens Harbott","display_name":"Jens Harbott (frickler)","email":"frickler@offenerstapel.de","username":"jrosenboom"},"change_message_id":"851c0adeff5be85c3e4050932699788f9cc56f55","unresolved":true,"context_lines":[{"line_number":252,"context_line":"\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d"},{"line_number":253,"context_line":""},{"line_number":254,"context_line":"No more than half of the TC Members shall be Affiliated as defined in the"},{"line_number":255,"context_line":"`Foundation bylaws \u003chttps://openinfra.dev/legal/bylaws\u003e`__. 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That explicitly states that individuals are not affected by the Affiliation rules, so the current wording might not put any restriction on TC membership at all?","commit_id":"760a1cd494369ab6c75a7f741693c21e76ae6fcd"},{"author":{"_account_id":8556,"name":"Ghanshyam Maan","display_name":"Ghanshyam Maan","email":"gmaan.os14@gmail.com","username":"ghanshyam"},"change_message_id":"2c88b28ee40f1be8293b0f624a6cd37bad05c030","unresolved":true,"context_lines":[{"line_number":252,"context_line":"\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d"},{"line_number":253,"context_line":""},{"line_number":254,"context_line":"No more than half of the TC Members shall be Affiliated as defined in the"},{"line_number":255,"context_line":"`Foundation bylaws \u003chttps://openinfra.dev/legal/bylaws\u003e`__. 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If Affiliated group definition is wrong or not clear I would suggest we bring this to Board as a separate topic and it can be updated/clarified at central place in bylaws.","commit_id":"760a1cd494369ab6c75a7f741693c21e76ae6fcd"},{"author":{"_account_id":13252,"name":"Dr. Jens Harbott","display_name":"Jens Harbott (frickler)","email":"frickler@offenerstapel.de","username":"jrosenboom"},"change_message_id":"84aed0622fc15578ceb391ef7f5a238bb349b25e","unresolved":true,"context_lines":[{"line_number":252,"context_line":"\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d"},{"line_number":253,"context_line":""},{"line_number":254,"context_line":"No more than half of the TC Members shall be Affiliated as defined in the"},{"line_number":255,"context_line":"`Foundation bylaws \u003chttps://openinfra.dev/legal/bylaws\u003e`__. 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Or can someone explain the reasoning for this?","commit_id":"760a1cd494369ab6c75a7f741693c21e76ae6fcd"},{"author":{"_account_id":10342,"name":"Jay Faulkner","display_name":"JayF","email":"jay@jvf.cc","username":"JayF","status":"youtube.com/@oss-gr / podcast.gr-oss.io"},"change_message_id":"26a9852f0cf6ae13c0e4172399674f9c845242a4","unresolved":true,"context_lines":[{"line_number":254,"context_line":"No more than half of the TC Members shall be Affiliated as defined in the"},{"line_number":255,"context_line":"`Foundation bylaws \u003chttps://openinfra.dev/legal/bylaws\u003e`__. 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Essentially it was said that in a situation where we did not have sufficiently diverse candidates, the OIF board would\u0027ve likely immediately voted to lift or loosen the requirement.\n\nEssentially, I think many of us -- you and I included, it seems -- had been putting too much faith in the diversity requirements to help keep the community healthy.\n\nIn light of this information; moving the diversity requirement from board level to TC charter level has no real impact.","commit_id":"760a1cd494369ab6c75a7f741693c21e76ae6fcd"},{"author":{"_account_id":8556,"name":"Ghanshyam Maan","display_name":"Ghanshyam Maan","email":"gmaan.os14@gmail.com","username":"ghanshyam"},"change_message_id":"046d9d554353814f3dbc1d6f725b734d1559c331","unresolved":true,"context_lines":[{"line_number":254,"context_line":"No more than half of the TC Members shall be Affiliated as defined in the"},{"line_number":255,"context_line":"`Foundation bylaws \u003chttps://openinfra.dev/legal/bylaws\u003e`__. 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Only reason for that is If there is any situation in any election and we do not have any way to proceed this waive off will help us to move next and work on having more diversity in next election or so.\n\nIn bylaws also, there was a way to solve the deadlock if created by the diversity requirement so we have to have one in TC charter also. Otherwise we might get into the deadlock during election.\n\nComing to the point of a single company has 2/3 members and approve it, that still has to go through the diverse existing TC members to approve this diversity requirement waive off are diverse right and they will be approving the waive of for the future elected TC members. Not the elected members till approve by themself for them.","commit_id":"760a1cd494369ab6c75a7f741693c21e76ae6fcd"},{"author":{"_account_id":8556,"name":"Ghanshyam Maan","display_name":"Ghanshyam Maan","email":"gmaan.os14@gmail.com","username":"ghanshyam"},"change_message_id":"2c88b28ee40f1be8293b0f624a6cd37bad05c030","unresolved":true,"context_lines":[{"line_number":254,"context_line":"No more than half of the TC Members shall be Affiliated as defined in the"},{"line_number":255,"context_line":"`Foundation bylaws \u003chttps://openinfra.dev/legal/bylaws\u003e`__. 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I will suggest let\u0027s go with this and if this does not work in any situation in future then we can revisit and update accordingly.","commit_id":"760a1cd494369ab6c75a7f741693c21e76ae6fcd"},{"author":{"_account_id":13252,"name":"Dr. Jens Harbott","display_name":"Jens Harbott (frickler)","email":"frickler@offenerstapel.de","username":"jrosenboom"},"change_message_id":"84aed0622fc15578ceb391ef7f5a238bb349b25e","unresolved":true,"context_lines":[{"line_number":254,"context_line":"No more than half of the TC Members shall be Affiliated as defined in the"},{"line_number":255,"context_line":"`Foundation bylaws \u003chttps://openinfra.dev/legal/bylaws\u003e`__. 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Instead of waiving the requirement there is the option of people giving up their seats voluntarily in order to resolve the issue.\n\nAlso note that the difference between \u003e\u003d1/2 and \u003e\u003d2/3 for the current TC size is just one seat (5 vs. 6), so the gap is very small.","commit_id":"760a1cd494369ab6c75a7f741693c21e76ae6fcd"}]}