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To the best of my knowledge the existing process failed in that the described email never happened.\n\nPlease lets try that first.","commit_id":"4c96233656bc72178145a419be75b875d962b196"},{"author":{"_account_id":16643,"name":"Goutham Pacha Ravi","email":"gouthampravi@gmail.com","username":"gouthamr"},"change_message_id":"42d995e03e1581a912b1a2e828d0dd74e369591e","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":4,"id":"51eac86e_d8d46dd2","updated":"2024-04-24 20:05:38.000000000","message":"Thank you for the changes Ghanshyam","commit_id":"4c96233656bc72178145a419be75b875d962b196"},{"author":{"_account_id":16643,"name":"Goutham Pacha Ravi","email":"gouthampravi@gmail.com","username":"gouthamr"},"change_message_id":"252b5fbf57fe7db88132c1ae126e85ac7dd3f3b0","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":4,"id":"8aa3f773_c4f8937b","in_reply_to":"cda20092_4ffdea68","updated":"2024-04-29 20:25:43.000000000","message":"Totally in error; sorry for the PBKAC; and thanks for catching this.","commit_id":"4c96233656bc72178145a419be75b875d962b196"},{"author":{"_account_id":16643,"name":"Goutham Pacha Ravi","email":"gouthampravi@gmail.com","username":"gouthamr"},"change_message_id":"9d97137ae5e26c0f3f33558956e794787f091721","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":5,"id":"125f4f25_cf5131bb","updated":"2024-05-21 17:41:40.000000000","message":"Thank you, Ghanshyam... 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There\u0027ll certainly be mistakes or wrong assumptions in the following somewhere:\n\nWhile I share the goal of the desired outcome here, maybe let me ask a question how this new model is really different:\n\nso currently, a dedicated TC member should query in regular intervals if the liaisons are still valid and liaisons are expected to answer.\n\nThis failed somehow for not specified reasons (the mail to the ML talked about \"Due to various reasons\" but failed to name any concrete examples).\n\nNow the new proposal is, that DPL liaisons are only assigned for a single cycle.\nThen the TC (who exactly is unclear) will reset the model to PTL and action is required from liaisons if they want to stay involved.\n\nSo there are basically these failure models in the old model:\n\n- no dedicated TC member was in fact assigned to send out a mail\n- there was a dedicated member of the TC assigned, but didn\u0027t send the mail for reasons\n- the mail was sent, but there was no feedback to said mail\n\nwhat the above possible failure modes all have in common for them to fail is:\n- nobody noticed any error in any of the above steps\n\nnow the new model expects:\n\n- someone from TC to reset the project team leadership (if this is not automated, I assume no)\n- some liaison to explicitly sign up with +1\n\nImho this is only slightly better than the old solution, because it requires an explicit action from DPL teams to stay DPL.\n\nIt doesn\u0027t catch any of the failure modes I described with regards to the TC itself.\n\ne.g. I can\u0027t remember to have seen a mail to openstack discuss actually asking if a DPL is still in place, I recognize I just could have missed that.\n\nSo I went back to the openstack-discuss archive where I would expect to find such a mail asking from a TC member if murano is active or if DPLs are still active.\n\nI found none, going back over 1 year.\n\nI found Takashis mail which asked for murano being marked inactive, but this seems to be a discovery by accident because of a problem with a yaql dependency[1].\n\nSo, with all due respect I know it\u0027s a lot of work and we are all humans and are not perfect and we all do make mistakes, I think a part of the problem here is with inaction from the TC to enforce current policy.\n\nSo if we revise policy, which I think is good, I would like to see some more guardrails for the TC in a new policy which makes it less likely for a single TC member to miss this task.\n\nAs said above, we are all humans and make mistakes, imho the policy should aid us in helping us avoid mistakes.\n\nIn it\u0027s current form I think the new proposal does not do that, because instead of a specific tc member all of the tc is now accountable for the action.\n\nIn my, maybe pessimistic, experience, if you put workload onto a group instead of an individual, nobody will step up to do the actual work.\n\nIt leads to a diffusion of responsibility.\n\nMaybe this could be alleviated by automating the process of marking projects non Distributed again.\n\nIf you made it this far: thanks for reading!\n\n[1]: https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org/thread/DFFI3SQ3344JWEXZBMO46THB5IR3DF6C/#PP7UWFENSOOG6FU73PCLWIV7AM3ET4FJ","commit_id":"4c96233656bc72178145a419be75b875d962b196"},{"author":{"_account_id":8556,"name":"Ghanshyam Maan","display_name":"Ghanshyam Maan","email":"gmaan.os14@gmail.com","username":"ghanshyam"},"change_message_id":"73cd7a300c600fecb92c6238c33cc06b1dc6def0","unresolved":true,"context_lines":[{"line_number":108,"context_line":"of the current TC guidelines.  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To avoid outdated information, TC members are encouraged to follow"},{"line_number":119,"context_line":"the project activities at regular intervals."},{"line_number":120,"context_line":""},{"line_number":121,"context_line":"Points of Concern"},{"line_number":122,"context_line":"-----------------"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":4,"id":"a44c2f51_7488335e","line":119,"range":{"start_line":111,"start_character":0,"end_line":119,"end_character":44},"in_reply_to":"699fd946_7e43e613","updated":"2024-04-30 02:59:27.000000000","message":"Thanks, Sven for detail analysis of the issue and I am 200% agree with the issues you mentioned.\n\n\u003e So, with all due respect I know it\u0027s a lot of work and we are all humans and are not perfect and we all do make mistakes, I think a part of the problem here is with inaction from the TC to enforce current policy.\n\nYes, this is the main point. Our old policy mentioned that TC should monitor the DPL model but none of the TC members (including me) did that. Because TC was inactive in tracking this work, we should not say this model itself is wrong/broken.\n\n\u003e \n\u003e In it\u0027s current form I think the new proposal does not do that, because instead of a specific tc member all of the tc is now accountable for the action.\n\u003e \n\u003e In my, maybe pessimistic, experience, if you put workload onto a group instead of an individual, nobody will step up to do the actual work.\n\nGood point and I see your concern here which is a clear catch and reason why old policy did not work out. I like the idea of having specific TC members to assign and track DPL model. Initially, I was thinking of putting this under TC chair but we have a lot of tasks for the chair and many of them are already not done due to various reason so I do not to add one more in the list.\n\nLet me add the requirement of having a TC liaison for each DPL project who will track the project liaison\u0027s activeness and reset it to the PTL model every cycle. In chair responsibility, we can just add a small task to assign a volunteer for that so that we have someone in TC to make sure TC liaisons are assigned for each DPL model project.","commit_id":"4c96233656bc72178145a419be75b875d962b196"},{"author":{"_account_id":8556,"name":"Ghanshyam Maan","display_name":"Ghanshyam Maan","email":"gmaan.os14@gmail.com","username":"ghanshyam"},"change_message_id":"61434826ddccce156a5fd8ade87b5df8407dbdb4","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":108,"context_line":"of the current TC guidelines.  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At least, that will show that this policy is not just re-wording the existing one but also we have volunteer to help here\n- https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/917516","commit_id":"0a7df7f5e0c9e64fb4d60fde0808f8594d3d1f72"},{"author":{"_account_id":9816,"name":"Takashi Kajinami","email":"kajinamit@oss.nttdata.com","username":"kajinamit"},"change_message_id":"d50f94495195e77839fbcb628cfda083bf1d6e76","unresolved":true,"context_lines":[{"line_number":113,"context_line":"of the current TC guidelines.  The TC advocates the use of consensus decisions,"},{"line_number":114,"context_line":"with polls or elections when consensus can not be reached."},{"line_number":115,"context_line":""},{"line_number":116,"context_line":"DPL model \u0026 liaison duration"},{"line_number":117,"context_line":"~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"},{"line_number":118,"context_line":""},{"line_number":119,"context_line":"DPL liaisons are assigned for a single release cycle. 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In the past we were told that project team can adopt to DPL model to avoid per-cycle nomination and in my view multiple projects adopted to DPL because of that reason.\n\nIf we enforce this refresh then I\u0027d say having a single PTL would be much simpler (and what I\u0027d attempt for oslo) and DPL may not be really useful, given the fact that our community is much smaller now.","commit_id":"0a7df7f5e0c9e64fb4d60fde0808f8594d3d1f72"},{"author":{"_account_id":8556,"name":"Ghanshyam Maan","display_name":"Ghanshyam Maan","email":"gmaan.os14@gmail.com","username":"ghanshyam"},"change_message_id":"ea017540f75c1aeacb5008237123ccc73c1cd193","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":113,"context_line":"of the current TC guidelines.  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DPL model may work better in case each project has 5 active members and share responsibility among them, but for example if a project has only two people then DPL does not make very clear sense if we still keep the liaison position but if a project has only two members, like oslo, then distributing responsibilities between two does not much make difference from single PTL, as long as liaison concept is still kept.\n\nAgain, I do not disagree with the change and I do think the change is better given the fact that we\u0027ve struggled handling inactive projects well in the past cycles. We just have to make sure that we no longer advertise DPL for such hackaround.","commit_id":"0a7df7f5e0c9e64fb4d60fde0808f8594d3d1f72"},{"author":{"_account_id":8556,"name":"Ghanshyam Maan","display_name":"Ghanshyam Maan","email":"gmaan.os14@gmail.com","username":"ghanshyam"},"change_message_id":"578b076f16151f888877a5b27d18526fa3c49730","unresolved":true,"context_lines":[{"line_number":113,"context_line":"of the current TC guidelines.  The TC advocates the use of consensus decisions,"},{"line_number":114,"context_line":"with polls or elections when consensus can not be reached."},{"line_number":115,"context_line":""},{"line_number":116,"context_line":"DPL model \u0026 liaison duration"},{"line_number":117,"context_line":"~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"},{"line_number":118,"context_line":""},{"line_number":119,"context_line":"DPL liaisons are assigned for a single release cycle. 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The main idea behind DPL model is to share the leadership responsibility among maintainers where in PTL it is single person.\n\nIf oslo responsibilities (releases, CI, Security issue, meetings etc) are handled by a single person then it make sense to move that to PTL but moving to PTL because the DPL also needs resetting liaison every cycle it not good reasoning.\n\nWhy we want this monitoring and reset is because we do not want any project to adopt DPL model to avoid catching the project inactivity or hiding behind the one time assignment model.  \n\nWith this change, idea is \"Share the leadership responsibility\" and \"Keep that leadership sharing info up to dated\"\n\nComplete context of it can be found in the original proposal https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/744995","commit_id":"0a7df7f5e0c9e64fb4d60fde0808f8594d3d1f72"}]}