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{"doc/source/ideas/project-pylon--new-communication-tools.rst":[{"author":{"_account_id":4257,"name":"Zane Bitter","email":"zbitter@redhat.com","username":"zaneb"},"change_message_id":"f7d02bd9a9c56b1aba35877935a9be83c3ad509c","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":2,"context_line":"\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d"},{"line_number":3,"context_line":""},{"line_number":4,"context_line":"Our community is relying on efficient, working, communication mecanisms: IRC, Mailing Lists."},{"line_number":5,"context_line":"However, this structure might be unattractive to some people: IRC needs a bouncer, mailing lists have a poor search model."},{"line_number":6,"context_line":"This lead us to weak communications, or having them very distributed and silo-ed."},{"line_number":7,"context_line":""},{"line_number":8,"context_line":"I believe that using different tools would increase attractiveness and effectiveness of our community communications."}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"1f493fa4_45eb8b11","line":5,"range":{"start_line":5,"start_character":62,"end_line":5,"end_character":81},"updated":"2020-05-01 15:19:36.000000000","message":"FWIW I\u0027ve been here 8 years (and using IRC for 9) and I\u0027ve never had a bouncer.","commit_id":"a176be03ec8f72cce0d40b3e958872b0e5ba4b30"},{"author":{"_account_id":17068,"name":"Jean-Philippe Evrard","email":"openstack@a.spamming.party","username":"evrardjp"},"change_message_id":"0d675201d537361e52191eba68eae40052217f7b","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":2,"context_line":"\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d"},{"line_number":3,"context_line":""},{"line_number":4,"context_line":"Our community is relying on efficient, working, communication mecanisms: IRC, Mailing Lists."},{"line_number":5,"context_line":"However, this structure might be unattractive to some people: IRC needs a bouncer, mailing lists have a poor search model."},{"line_number":6,"context_line":"This lead us to weak communications, or having them very distributed and silo-ed."},{"line_number":7,"context_line":""},{"line_number":8,"context_line":"I believe that using different tools would increase attractiveness and effectiveness of our community communications."}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"1f493fa4_b0cf14af","line":5,"range":{"start_line":5,"start_character":62,"end_line":5,"end_character":81},"in_reply_to":"1f493fa4_45eb8b11","updated":"2020-05-04 08:41:18.000000000","message":"True, I should rephrase.","commit_id":"a176be03ec8f72cce0d40b3e958872b0e5ba4b30"},{"author":{"_account_id":4257,"name":"Zane Bitter","email":"zbitter@redhat.com","username":"zaneb"},"change_message_id":"f7d02bd9a9c56b1aba35877935a9be83c3ad509c","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":14,"context_line":"The proposed tools"},{"line_number":15,"context_line":"------------------"},{"line_number":16,"context_line":""},{"line_number":17,"context_line":"I compared what other communities have been doing, and I think we are closer in mindsets to the \"Mozilla\" model than the \"Kubernetes\" model for example."},{"line_number":18,"context_line":""},{"line_number":19,"context_line":"I propose to turn around, and replace our tooling:"},{"line_number":20,"context_line":""}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"1f493fa4_25d75f4d","line":17,"updated":"2020-05-01 15:19:36.000000000","message":"+1000","commit_id":"a176be03ec8f72cce0d40b3e958872b0e5ba4b30"},{"author":{"_account_id":4257,"name":"Zane Bitter","email":"zbitter@redhat.com","username":"zaneb"},"change_message_id":"f7d02bd9a9c56b1aba35877935a9be83c3ad509c","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":24,"context_line":"Discourse"},{"line_number":25,"context_line":"~~~~~~~~~"},{"line_number":26,"context_line":""},{"line_number":27,"context_line":"Discourse has lots of benefits: a better search, indexing, and interaction with communication tools."},{"line_number":28,"context_line":"It even allows to have conversations with Matrix inside Discourse."},{"line_number":29,"context_line":"(https://www.discourse.org/plugins/chat-integration.html)"},{"line_number":30,"context_line":""}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"1f493fa4_85263367","line":27,"updated":"2020-05-01 15:19:36.000000000","message":"AFAIK there\u0027s no way to use Discourse while offline, which is a huge downside.\n\nI think it could be a good replacement for ask.o.o + what used to be the openstack@lists.o.o list. I\u0027m less convinced it\u0027s a good replacement for what used to be openstack-dev@lists.o.o.","commit_id":"a176be03ec8f72cce0d40b3e958872b0e5ba4b30"},{"author":{"_account_id":4257,"name":"Zane Bitter","email":"zbitter@redhat.com","username":"zaneb"},"change_message_id":"f7d02bd9a9c56b1aba35877935a9be83c3ad509c","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":34,"context_line":"~~~~~~"},{"line_number":35,"context_line":""},{"line_number":36,"context_line":"People using IRC could easily adopt matrix, as IRC bridges exists."},{"line_number":37,"context_line":"For new joiners, the `riot.im`_ web interface would be a welcome change, as communication can be done from the browser."},{"line_number":38,"context_line":""},{"line_number":39,"context_line":"Possible negative outcome"},{"line_number":40,"context_line":"-------------------------"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":1,"id":"1f493fa4_65de873e","line":37,"updated":"2020-05-01 15:19:36.000000000","message":"100% in favour of matrix.","commit_id":"a176be03ec8f72cce0d40b3e958872b0e5ba4b30"}],"doc/source/ideas/pylon/asynchronous-comms.rst":[{"author":{"_account_id":4257,"name":"Zane Bitter","email":"zbitter@redhat.com","username":"zaneb"},"change_message_id":"a9c75740558564e439f1de0a9b20e7f436f309e4","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":13,"context_line":"(\"instant\") answer from other community members."},{"line_number":14,"context_line":""},{"line_number":15,"context_line":"The current mechanisms for asynchronous communications are for example our"},{"line_number":16,"context_line":"code review system, or our mailing lists."},{"line_number":17,"context_line":""},{"line_number":18,"context_line":"The problem"},{"line_number":19,"context_line":"-----------"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":2,"id":"bf51134e_73ebd011","line":16,"updated":"2020-07-17 21:12:51.000000000","message":"I\u0027d add ask.openstack.org to that list.","commit_id":"5242f0bd7da6ace13d0a2cb482dd9e60aebb7334"}],"doc/source/ideas/pylon/synchronous-and-pseudo-synchronous-comms.rst":[{"author":{"_account_id":4257,"name":"Zane Bitter","email":"zbitter@redhat.com","username":"zaneb"},"change_message_id":"a9c75740558564e439f1de0a9b20e7f436f309e4","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":29,"context_line":""},{"line_number":30,"context_line":"Next to this, IRC seems alien to the \"new generation of developers\", which"},{"line_number":31,"context_line":"prefer *Slack* or *Matrix*: Those record conversations when you are"},{"line_number":32,"context_line":"disconnected for example."},{"line_number":33,"context_line":""},{"line_number":34,"context_line":"The proposal"},{"line_number":35,"context_line":"------------"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":2,"id":"bf51134e_934ae458","line":32,"updated":"2020-07-17 21:12:51.000000000","message":"I don\u0027t think the problem is \"kids these days expect Slack\". It doesn\u0027t matter if we have emojis or not.\n\nThe problem is that IRC is *primitive*. All of the administration tools are non-standard and arcane, especially the ones involved in identity management. As a result of that we\u0027ve had to add additional hoops for new users to jump through (to protect against spam bots) that are probably limiting participation. The blog post that kicked off Mozilla\u0027s search for a new tool is a good summary: http://exple.tive.org/blarg/2019/04/26/synchronous-text/","commit_id":"5242f0bd7da6ace13d0a2cb482dd9e60aebb7334"},{"author":{"_account_id":4257,"name":"Zane Bitter","email":"zbitter@redhat.com","username":"zaneb"},"change_message_id":"a9c75740558564e439f1de0a9b20e7f436f309e4","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":53,"context_line":""},{"line_number":54,"context_line":"This is a disruptive change, like for the asynchronous communications."},{"line_number":55,"context_line":"This could lead to a split in the community, for people not wanting to change."},{"line_number":56,"context_line":"https://xkcd.com/1782/"},{"line_number":57,"context_line":""},{"line_number":58,"context_line":""},{"line_number":59,"context_line":".. _matrix: https://matrix.org/"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":2,"id":"bf51134e_f36360dc","line":56,"updated":"2020-07-17 21:12:51.000000000","message":"If it\u0027s bridged to IRC I don\u0027t see why this would even be an issue.","commit_id":"5242f0bd7da6ace13d0a2cb482dd9e60aebb7334"}]}