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{"/PATCHSET_LEVEL":[{"author":{"_account_id":37598,"name":"Ivan Anfimov","display_name":"Ivan Anfimov","email":"lazekteam@gmail.com","username":"anfimovir"},"change_message_id":"1deb8c693f5697a04a8ffb3530ef66da39d9cc97","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":2,"id":"63326c8f_a721200d","updated":"2025-04-15 14:35:17.000000000","message":"@fungi@yuggoth.org I fixed it in https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/947254, full revert not need.","commit_id":"069060c4f6bc0157bf265026517d3ecb2cb67385"},{"author":{"_account_id":13252,"name":"Dr. Jens Harbott","display_name":"Jens Harbott (frickler)","email":"frickler@offenerstapel.de","username":"jrosenboom"},"change_message_id":"a431968a4c84debbefb7350341243ac1f06ae4c0","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":2,"id":"dd9d5900_97b8b234","updated":"2025-04-15 15:30:42.000000000","message":"I agree with the revert, because IMO such a bunch of formatting changes should never have been approved","commit_id":"069060c4f6bc0157bf265026517d3ecb2cb67385"},{"author":{"_account_id":37598,"name":"Ivan Anfimov","display_name":"Ivan Anfimov","email":"lazekteam@gmail.com","username":"anfimovir"},"change_message_id":"9d3c2443f6c8edeab691b83f6876b204d58aa84e","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":2,"id":"3be9d28a_28deab26","updated":"2025-04-15 17:57:51.000000000","message":"I agree with what @noonedeadpunk@gmail.com wrote, but I think it is absolutely incorrect to draw conclusions that the changes were made automatically and so on, that several hours were spent on this on a weekend @fungi@yuggoth.org","commit_id":"069060c4f6bc0157bf265026517d3ecb2cb67385"},{"author":{"_account_id":37632,"name":"Dmitriy Chubinidze","email":"dcu995@gmail.com","username":"chubinidzedr"},"change_message_id":"c28745f4cc8e2864a8d14607b5e8032fcc03b86b","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":2,"id":"069de29c_f9ab30be","updated":"2025-04-15 15:07:47.000000000","message":"I don’t think a full revert is necessary, as the change included several useful updates to outdated terms. If there any more mistakes, just let us know.","commit_id":"069060c4f6bc0157bf265026517d3ecb2cb67385"},{"author":{"_account_id":28619,"name":"Dmitriy Rabotyagov","email":"noonedeadpunk@gmail.com","username":"noonedeadpunk"},"change_message_id":"5caf4d3b6b848613a702c84905fffe32281618a5","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":2,"id":"ac3f5e87_3c0aa965","updated":"2025-04-15 16:05:37.000000000","message":"We had some discussion around the topic in #openstack-tc IRC channel, you can check the discussion log here: https://meetings.opendev.org/irclogs/%23openstack-tc/%23openstack-tc.2025-04-15.log.html\n\nBut in short we concluded the following:\n1. We revert this patch right now to mitigate raised concerns\n2. The patch can be re-proposed again, except being split in smaller chunks:\n  a. Capitalization of terms\n  b. Fixing indents/spacing\n  c. Content changes\n  d. etc.\n3. Changes to the glossary terms will require changes to more repos and fixing links to such terms, which might be very non-trivial to find and time-consuming to fix.\n4. Commit message should be better describing the change and what actually it\u0027s doing to avoid confusion. It also may highlight right away that the change is doing too much at once.\n\nWhile I still support alignment of terms in the glossary, I do agree that splitting the change into multiple ones would be the proper way forward. With that it also might be worth to get patches changing terms reference in other repositories right away with the same Gerrit \"topic\".\n\nBut I\u0027ll also vote positively on alternative patch fixing the current state, and avoid setting +W for any of them to have another party to look into this case.","commit_id":"069060c4f6bc0157bf265026517d3ecb2cb67385"},{"author":{"_account_id":5263,"name":"Jeremy Stanley","display_name":"fungi","email":"fungi@yuggoth.org","username":"fungi","status":"missing, presumed fed"},"change_message_id":"7d2566e8b60c37999bb49992c0f44ac6b50c3750","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":2,"id":"b804c5d4_4bc0b8d5","in_reply_to":"3be9d28a_28deab26","updated":"2025-04-15 18:40:03.000000000","message":"My sincerest apologies, I didn\u0027t mean to make unfounded accusations. It seemed like the included clarification of the term \"operator\" was unlikely to come from a human familiar with OpenStack or its community, so I wrongly assumed the addition was machine-prompted. Also your references to \"we\" and \"us\" made it seem like this wasn\u0027t the work of a singular individual even though it is presented as such, but I understand that my privileged position as a native English speaker sometimes biases my perceptions where misapplication of plural first-person pronouns are concerned.","commit_id":"069060c4f6bc0157bf265026517d3ecb2cb67385"},{"author":{"_account_id":5263,"name":"Jeremy Stanley","display_name":"fungi","email":"fungi@yuggoth.org","username":"fungi","status":"missing, presumed fed"},"change_message_id":"cc8466e8cae4ed9a54bca1bab79b099969f054d7","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":2,"id":"61a3cd3e_153b26db","in_reply_to":"41a65a77_4759d826","updated":"2025-04-15 19:04:24.000000000","message":"Thanks. Technical misuse of the term \"engineer\" aside, there\u0027s the problem that someone in an \"engineering\" role isn\u0027t necessarily operating an OpenStack system, they could instead be acting as an administrator or user of the system, so it\u0027s unfortunately vague as well.","commit_id":"069060c4f6bc0157bf265026517d3ecb2cb67385"},{"author":{"_account_id":37598,"name":"Ivan Anfimov","display_name":"Ivan Anfimov","email":"lazekteam@gmail.com","username":"anfimovir"},"change_message_id":"149cde5fc472f2fef41ecd9dd95c5f55dafcaa30","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":2,"id":"eb03274e_a395aca3","in_reply_to":"5b48625e_9635fc69","updated":"2025-04-30 17:14:47.000000000","message":"@gmaan@ghanshyammann.com thanks for you reply.\n\nLook around, almost every company using OpenStack makes internal documentation and hires technical writers, because the official documentation is outdated and cluttered.\n\nOver the past 4 months, we have made a huge number of changes, including localization into Russian (we are talking about thousands of changes), let\u0027s cancel them too, because it\u0027s a lot.\n\nLet\u0027s keep what is no longer in OpenStack, just out of fear that we will have to change 10 phrases, that\u0027s weird.","commit_id":"069060c4f6bc0157bf265026517d3ecb2cb67385"},{"author":{"_account_id":37598,"name":"Ivan Anfimov","display_name":"Ivan Anfimov","email":"lazekteam@gmail.com","username":"anfimovir"},"change_message_id":"a5fdfabc2ee946f6b4d46fafde2c6b48cf300cad","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":2,"id":"afa3b558_cf54f5e7","in_reply_to":"61a3cd3e_153b26db","updated":"2025-04-15 19:08:09.000000000","message":"Yes, you right, the information is very vague.\n\nWe send another MR with new roles - https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/947109\n\nI think we can fix problem with \"engineer\" via \nhttps://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/947254","commit_id":"069060c4f6bc0157bf265026517d3ecb2cb67385"},{"author":{"_account_id":16643,"name":"Goutham Pacha Ravi","email":"gouthampravi@gmail.com","username":"gouthamr"},"change_message_id":"adfe756a56fd5f3a9cb5827b379b55d1e37a12bf","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":2,"id":"87fdc088_79fbb18f","in_reply_to":"7efa8766_cdcee00d","updated":"2025-04-30 22:20:39.000000000","message":"Hey @lazekteam@gmail.com\n\n\u003e Over the past 4 months, we have made a huge number of changes, including localization into Russian (we are talking about thousands of changes), let\u0027s cancel them too, because it\u0027s a lot.\n\u003e Let\u0027s keep what is no longer in OpenStack, just out of fear that we will have to change 10 phrases, that\u0027s weird.\n\nThanks for working on these; unfortunately, it looks like what we\u0027re seeking isn\u0027t coming across clearly. I agree documentation is outdated, and can be improved. It\u0027s probably unwritten knowledge that updating the openstack-manuals glossary like this triggers automatic patches to numerous documentation repositories, and making further changes would percolate in the same way. The work you do has a (great) impact that\u0027s immediately apparent. \n\nIn a community-driven ecosystem like OpenStack, following conventions keeps things sane. We avoid making too many broad sweeping changes in one commit. We avoid mixing whitespace changes with functional changes. \n\nwhat\u0027s super useful:\n1) you\u0027ve deleted some outdated information \n2) you\u0027re rewritten the meaning of some terms to catch up with reality today, you\u0027ve expanded text, added context\n\nwhat\u0027s not useful:\n1) you\u0027ve capitalized strings that needn\u0027t be capitalized: https://docs.openstack.org/doc-contrib-guide/writing-style/openstack-components.html\n2) you\u0027ve made a bunch of whitespace changes that are unnecessary\n3) the commit is too large (which is okay sometimes), and the commit message doesn\u0027t capture what all is being done (which is not okay)\n\nI agree with Dmitriy\u0027s suggestion; expanding on this:\n\nyou don\u0027t need to annotate \"outdated\" information (like you\u0027re doing in https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/947109), you can DELETE these - BUT, please submit the deletion patches separately. Reviewers can check these carefully and ensure they\u0027re really not being used anywhere. If you\u0027d like to know if they\u0027re referenced anywhere, use https://codesearch.openstack.org yourself. \n\n\nyou can add new information - please do that in a separate small commit please; changing stuff about \"availability zones\" shouldn\u0027t include removing things about the Xen hypervisor, or all these other unrelated","commit_id":"069060c4f6bc0157bf265026517d3ecb2cb67385"},{"author":{"_account_id":37598,"name":"Ivan Anfimov","display_name":"Ivan Anfimov","email":"lazekteam@gmail.com","username":"anfimovir"},"change_message_id":"11e4b89badd4d9135686fb74a7b1149863a467ec","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":2,"id":"7efa8766_cdcee00d","in_reply_to":"86d3e832_3f4eed38","updated":"2025-04-30 18:44:41.000000000","message":"@gmaan@ghanshyammann.com\n\nif you look at (this MR after Dmitiy plan):\nhttps://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/947109\n\nI don\u0027t think anything good will come out of this, we will continue to save all the old information, signing it as \"outdated\" and so on.","commit_id":"069060c4f6bc0157bf265026517d3ecb2cb67385"},{"author":{"_account_id":8556,"name":"Ghanshyam Maan","display_name":"Ghanshyam Maan","email":"gmaan.os14@gmail.com","username":"ghanshyam"},"change_message_id":"768aafcf9c360c222216567aa86fa7cf9adbea4f","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":2,"id":"5b48625e_9635fc69","in_reply_to":"ac3f5e87_3c0aa965","updated":"2025-04-30 17:00:30.000000000","message":"I agree on the proposal. let\u0027s revert it and start doing the key required changes later. Honestly saying I am also not big fan of such big formatting changes but I will not block any small and valuable changes if that make doc more readable (should have a proper justification in commit msg).","commit_id":"069060c4f6bc0157bf265026517d3ecb2cb67385"},{"author":{"_account_id":37598,"name":"Ivan Anfimov","display_name":"Ivan Anfimov","email":"lazekteam@gmail.com","username":"anfimovir"},"change_message_id":"cf5ee83016ff187a5969b95734ebb35213f701b5","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":2,"id":"41a65a77_4759d826","in_reply_to":"b804c5d4_4bc0b8d5","updated":"2025-04-15 18:45:13.000000000","message":"No problem, all good ;) Yes, if you check history main MR - https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/946986\n\nFew changes applied by my colleague @dcu995@gmail.com\n\nIt\u0027s just that in our market (RU), the position of \"OpenStack Engineer\" is often used.","commit_id":"069060c4f6bc0157bf265026517d3ecb2cb67385"},{"author":{"_account_id":8556,"name":"Ghanshyam Maan","display_name":"Ghanshyam Maan","email":"gmaan.os14@gmail.com","username":"ghanshyam"},"change_message_id":"8db3c7b2647a4db657452c3c57a28cdcbf4e8cd1","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":2,"id":"86d3e832_3f4eed38","in_reply_to":"eb03274e_a395aca3","updated":"2025-04-30 18:39:02.000000000","message":"@Ivan, I agree with your concern and nobody is denying the changes. If you can split the changes as suggested in the Dmitriy plan, it will be easy to review as well as see the benefits of those.","commit_id":"069060c4f6bc0157bf265026517d3ecb2cb67385"},{"author":{"_account_id":37598,"name":"Ivan Anfimov","display_name":"Ivan Anfimov","email":"lazekteam@gmail.com","username":"anfimovir"},"change_message_id":"6568a9ba49d88c839852d4f0472f13ed305b463e","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":3,"id":"5ff47baf_bae7148a","updated":"2025-04-30 13:04:58.000000000","message":"@gmaan@ghanshyammann.com hello, what do you think about? It will take several hours to make changes again. And the question of deleting outdated information is also open.","commit_id":"d782d2dc53b02118ce8099f3507d800c2616e2ac"},{"author":{"_account_id":28619,"name":"Dmitriy Rabotyagov","email":"noonedeadpunk@gmail.com","username":"noonedeadpunk"},"change_message_id":"d0e0363fa560788664f9f68931a9070ebecba3a7","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":3,"id":"075b3038_8ff13da4","updated":"2025-04-30 12:37:54.000000000","message":"I\u0027m fine with that only if we are in agreement that our glossary needs to be worked on and we do a reasonable attempt to keep it relevant.","commit_id":"d782d2dc53b02118ce8099f3507d800c2616e2ac"},{"author":{"_account_id":37598,"name":"Ivan Anfimov","display_name":"Ivan Anfimov","email":"lazekteam@gmail.com","username":"anfimovir"},"change_message_id":"2a9917f46914da80704b6109dc83ff278c113718","unresolved":true,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":3,"id":"f242f6e2_09f05136","in_reply_to":"075b3038_8ff13da4","updated":"2025-04-30 12:40:13.000000000","message":"@noonedeadpunk@gmail.com I don\u0027t see the point in wasting time on this, people don\u0027t want anything to change, that\u0027s why the projects are in a terrible state.\n\nIf you pay attention to today\u0027s change, all the edits that you suggested earlier have been restored.","commit_id":"d782d2dc53b02118ce8099f3507d800c2616e2ac"},{"author":{"_account_id":13252,"name":"Dr. Jens Harbott","display_name":"Jens Harbott (frickler)","email":"frickler@offenerstapel.de","username":"jrosenboom"},"change_message_id":"e324cf9889f30626d62b61e13e28746a3e005868","unresolved":true,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":3,"id":"95d25e76_2384b343","in_reply_to":"37ecff3b_64ae8638","updated":"2025-04-30 12:57:35.000000000","message":"it would really help if you could join us on IRC for discussing the strategy on this. you may want to look at the history in https://meetings.opendev.org/irclogs/%23openstack-tc/ for some of the related discussions","commit_id":"d782d2dc53b02118ce8099f3507d800c2616e2ac"},{"author":{"_account_id":28619,"name":"Dmitriy Rabotyagov","email":"noonedeadpunk@gmail.com","username":"noonedeadpunk"},"change_message_id":"40c200643ae8dc59e9a180d3170ac3caa1171c05","unresolved":true,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":3,"id":"d4522546_05d3dd11","in_reply_to":"95d25e76_2384b343","updated":"2025-04-30 16:42:57.000000000","message":"Yeah, I know... I\u0027m not fan of the revert, though argument that all glossary translations are broken is also valid.\n\nThis probably needs more coordination between teems to avoid breaking and blocking everyone around.\n\nI still think that alignment is needed and that is the good change overall. But I do understand other side of the coin as well...","commit_id":"d782d2dc53b02118ce8099f3507d800c2616e2ac"},{"author":{"_account_id":28619,"name":"Dmitriy Rabotyagov","email":"noonedeadpunk@gmail.com","username":"noonedeadpunk"},"change_message_id":"3d8deacfd56a079b99f91bbb4233055e6246edb4","unresolved":true,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":3,"id":"f4d527bd_f552a44b","in_reply_to":"d4522546_05d3dd11","updated":"2025-04-30 16:43:53.000000000","message":"And yeah, presence in IRC would be pretty much appreciated for the discussion. Just in case - there is also a Matrix bridge existing, so you can use matrix/element for communication as well.","commit_id":"d782d2dc53b02118ce8099f3507d800c2616e2ac"},{"author":{"_account_id":37598,"name":"Ivan Anfimov","display_name":"Ivan Anfimov","email":"lazekteam@gmail.com","username":"anfimovir"},"change_message_id":"e93732009df412b8716ef51d0aee5a93681281ba","unresolved":true,"context_lines":[],"source_content_type":"","patch_set":3,"id":"37ecff3b_64ae8638","in_reply_to":"f242f6e2_09f05136","updated":"2025-04-30 12:45:24.000000000","message":"Screenshot with confirmation - https://anfimov.name/glossary.png","commit_id":"d782d2dc53b02118ce8099f3507d800c2616e2ac"}]}