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Sometime it is really hard to catch someone on the IRC due to different working hours, then finally I found two things are very important:\n\n1. Someone you want to cache may not online, so please don\u0027t just leave a \u0027Hi\u0027, please leave a full message about what are you asking for. Then you can go to sleep and wait for the reply.\n\n2. Using IRC bouncer is important. 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Maybe ideally if people want to cache up what happened in the placement, they just need check the log of scheduler meeting at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/, but yes, there are too many discussion in the meeting, and didn\u0027t structure well like your mail.","commit_id":"ed74f24d70e47bfb8a4e75db6ebd0dc127469989"},{"author":{"_account_id":5754,"name":"Alex Xu","email":"hejie.xu@intel.com","username":"xuhj"},"change_message_id":"ccbb25f149514d3335b25d243045cb09f9ab1037","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":18,"context_line":"need to update an active code review."},{"line_number":19,"context_line":""},{"line_number":20,"context_line":"In either case, participation in the community should not require big"},{"line_number":21,"context_line":"sacrifices."},{"line_number":22,"context_line":""},{"line_number":23,"context_line":"Culture"},{"line_number":24,"context_line":"\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":3,"id":"1a1ced50_4a1757a3","line":21,"in_reply_to":"1a1ced50_87886ae9","updated":"2017-03-17 12:00:57.000000000","message":"yea, I totally agree about the cost problem. what I\u0027m thinking the \u0027globally inclusive\u0027 doesn\u0027t means that all the non-English needn\u0027t improve English anymore. If any solution that generates a lot of cost for the English speaker, I would say that is wrong. the \u0027globally inclusive\u0027 should mean that some solutions make non-English speaker get more chance to improve English, or feel more confidence to improve English. 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While it is clear that there will always be a need to do that, I think it being a default behavior is something of an antipattern. It\u0027s a) very disrupting and b) indicates that we aren\u0027t making enough persistent and discoverable resources that help people to stay up to date.\n\nI think one of the main things we see in these discussions about being globally inclusive is that resources that allow to read and respond and incredibly important. The synchronous media and events (irc, hangouts, ptgs) privilege people who are both fluent speakers of English and comfortable with interrupting and taking on what could be considered a fairly aggressive style of interaction.\n\nIt is also true, however, that written forms privilege those that are comfortable in that form. This is a cost but the benefit of persistence and what might be called reply-ability is, to me, huge.","commit_id":"ed74f24d70e47bfb8a4e75db6ebd0dc127469989"},{"author":{"_account_id":5754,"name":"Alex Xu","email":"hejie.xu@intel.com","username":"xuhj"},"change_message_id":"dbee6ede52a11f7a965ff1dedf261e7a3c07163e","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":26,"context_line":"Every contributor is heavily influenced by their local culture. Things that"},{"line_number":27,"context_line":"seem as simple as saying yes or no are handled very differently in different"},{"line_number":28,"context_line":"cultures. 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Thank you.","commit_id":"ed74f24d70e47bfb8a4e75db6ebd0dc127469989"},{"author":{"_account_id":5754,"name":"Alex Xu","email":"hejie.xu@intel.com","username":"xuhj"},"change_message_id":"dbee6ede52a11f7a965ff1dedf261e7a3c07163e","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":46,"context_line":"Dong Ma, and Samuel De Medeiros Queiroz at linux.conf.au in 2017."},{"line_number":47,"context_line":"You can watch their original talk on YouTube:"},{"line_number":48,"context_line":"`Non-native English speakers in Open Source communities: A True Story"},{"line_number":49,"context_line":"\u003chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v\u003dfsn6buk-BtE\u003e`_ or read their article on"},{"line_number":50,"context_line":"opensource.com: `Tips for non-native English speakers working on open source"},{"line_number":51,"context_line":"projects"},{"line_number":52,"context_line":"\u003chttps://opensource.com/article/17/1/non-native-speakers-take-open-source-communities\u003e`_."}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":3,"id":"1a1ced50_3ba43d56","line":49,"updated":"2017-03-17 04:00:13.000000000","message":"Add this to my todo list, I will watch it.","commit_id":"ed74f24d70e47bfb8a4e75db6ebd0dc127469989"},{"author":{"_account_id":2472,"name":"Doug Hellmann","email":"dhellmann@redhat.com","username":"doug-hellmann"},"change_message_id":"dfb8b29c8b80ba355e29d0efb88e02cb916a39b6","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":51,"context_line":"projects"},{"line_number":52,"context_line":"\u003chttps://opensource.com/article/17/1/non-native-speakers-take-open-source-communities\u003e`_."},{"line_number":53,"context_line":""},{"line_number":54,"context_line":"Note the discussion around ways async text communicate  text communication can be easier than verbal"},{"line_number":55,"context_line":""},{"line_number":56,"context_line":"Situations and Mitigations"},{"line_number":57,"context_line":"\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":3,"id":"1a1ced50_3d927f58","line":54,"updated":"2017-03-16 18:31:04.000000000","message":"I think there\u0027s a paste-o with \u0027text communicate text communication\u0027 here.","commit_id":"ed74f24d70e47bfb8a4e75db6ebd0dc127469989"},{"author":{"_account_id":5754,"name":"Alex Xu","email":"hejie.xu@intel.com","username":"xuhj"},"change_message_id":"dbee6ede52a11f7a965ff1dedf261e7a3c07163e","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":51,"context_line":"projects"},{"line_number":52,"context_line":"\u003chttps://opensource.com/article/17/1/non-native-speakers-take-open-source-communities\u003e`_."},{"line_number":53,"context_line":""},{"line_number":54,"context_line":"Note the discussion around ways async text communicate  text communication can be easier than verbal"},{"line_number":55,"context_line":""},{"line_number":56,"context_line":"Situations and Mitigations"},{"line_number":57,"context_line":"\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d\u003d"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":3,"id":"1a1ced50_7bc79545","line":54,"in_reply_to":"1a1ced50_3d927f58","updated":"2017-03-17 04:00:13.000000000","message":"Nova team are doing a very great thing is that they will send some summary to the Maillist about the thing they discussed in the voice. 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It\u0027s even more important for non-native speakers as they lack a lot of shared context and can benefit from body language.","commit_id":"ed74f24d70e47bfb8a4e75db6ebd0dc127469989"},{"author":{"_account_id":2472,"name":"Doug Hellmann","email":"dhellmann@redhat.com","username":"doug-hellmann"},"change_message_id":"dfb8b29c8b80ba355e29d0efb88e02cb916a39b6","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":80,"context_line":"excluded from these events:"},{"line_number":81,"context_line":""},{"line_number":82,"context_line":"* Not everyone can be there. There are many reasons, be it family"},{"line_number":83,"context_line":"  commitments, budget, or being advised medically to not fly on planes."},{"line_number":84,"context_line":""},{"line_number":85,"context_line":"* Remote participation may not be practical. 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It feels like we are actively encouraging teams to not participate to the events (PTG, Forum, Ops midcycles).","commit_id":"ed74f24d70e47bfb8a4e75db6ebd0dc127469989"},{"author":{"_account_id":5754,"name":"Alex Xu","email":"hejie.xu@intel.com","username":"xuhj"},"change_message_id":"dbee6ede52a11f7a965ff1dedf261e7a3c07163e","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":94,"context_line":""},{"line_number":95,"context_line":"* Avoid in-person gathering and use alternative ways to build consensus."},{"line_number":96,"context_line":""},{"line_number":97,"context_line":"* Provide summaries of the discussion. Good for those that couldn\u0027t follow"},{"line_number":98,"context_line":"  that conversation, where in another session at that time, or were unable"},{"line_number":99,"context_line":"  to attend."},{"line_number":100,"context_line":""},{"line_number":101,"context_line":"* Make proposals not decisions. 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However, remote people wanting to"},{"line_number":110,"context_line":"  listen in on conversations is possible, given reasonable microphones."},{"line_number":111,"context_line":"  For more info please see the video conferencing section."},{"line_number":112,"context_line":""},{"line_number":113,"context_line":"Video Conferencing"},{"line_number":114,"context_line":"------------------"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":3,"id":"1a1ced50_8ab95931","line":111,"updated":"2017-03-17 06:42:57.000000000","message":"Emm...I\u0027m not sure what I have is a solution. That totally adds extra works for the English speaker. But in my experience, I get a lot of help from English speaker. There are two examples:\n\n1. Nova API sub-team. In recent summit/PTG, there always have a whole session about Nova API works in next release. My English really can\u0027t help the discussion. But I didn\u0027t feel panic about that. Because John and Sean will drive the discussion and ensure everything is discussed. The only thing I can help is building an etherpad before the summit/PTG, and help them summary something what I know. I feel that works great, in the current my limit English skill, I can help the team in limited method.\n\n2. The traits API, it is same problem totally. That thanks to Jay, he leads the discussion in the summit, he will drive the discussion about traits. WIthout his help, I really not sure the proposal about traits can make progress like current, even accepted by the community.\n\nSo may I say there is a solution for non-English speaker in the in-person gathering, that is asking help from English speaker. Delegates to English speaker to drive the discussion, If there are some English speaker willing to help or PTL willing to help or The sub-team leader willing to help.\n\nBut I totally feel guilty about this solution, this totally about adding extra works to the English speaker. But have to say that I\u0027m really a luck man get a lot of help from English speaker.\n\nI\u0027m also thinking about some developers, they never had a chance go to the summit/PTG, but they submitted the BP and spec. I feel there is very few chance to some BP and spec without the discussion in the summit/PTG. I can feel there are some pain for those kinds of developers.","commit_id":"ed74f24d70e47bfb8a4e75db6ebd0dc127469989"},{"author":{"_account_id":2472,"name":"Doug Hellmann","email":"dhellmann@redhat.com","username":"doug-hellmann"},"change_message_id":"dbae407cfae4dca6401bc34f0251bc66a61b202b","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":108,"context_line":"  Multiple remote people wanting to contribute mixed with many people in"},{"line_number":109,"context_line":"  the same room has proven difficult. 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Seeing the expression on peoples faces can really"},{"line_number":120,"context_line":"  help difficult conversations."},{"line_number":121,"context_line":""}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":3,"id":"1a1ced50_fdb467d2","line":118,"updated":"2017-03-16 18:31:04.000000000","message":"s/makes can/can/","commit_id":"ed74f24d70e47bfb8a4e75db6ebd0dc127469989"},{"author":{"_account_id":308,"name":"Thierry Carrez","email":"thierry@openstack.org","username":"ttx"},"change_message_id":"a685206e28b2d902fdd2ec958e2cf7fcf60b3c33","unresolved":false,"context_lines":[{"line_number":132,"context_line":"  note some technologies are blocked by corporate or country wide firewalls."},{"line_number":133,"context_line":""},{"line_number":134,"context_line":"* Please also note all the problems forcing verbal communication can pose"},{"line_number":135,"context_line":"  when your first language is not english, as already covered above."},{"line_number":136,"context_line":""},{"line_number":137,"context_line":"IRC"},{"line_number":138,"context_line":"---"}],"source_content_type":"text/x-rst","patch_set":3,"id":"9ff52f3f_37cb4354","line":135,"updated":"2017-04-13 09:46:42.000000000","message":"I think videoconferencing exacerbates the verbal communications issues, compared to in-person gathering. Verbal communication + limited bandwidth results in people generally opting completely out of the discussion. In most \"international\" videocalls I\u0027ve been in, only US people end up talking and nobody notices. In-person meetings are not that bad.\n\nI feel like this chapter encourages videocalls in a global context, and I think the advice needs to be more balanced. 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