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I have explained the versioning things for Tempest and its plugins here- https://docs.openstack.org/tempest/latest/tempest_and_plugins_compatible_version_policy.html\n\u003e \n\u003e [1]https://github.com/openstack/releases/blob/08361a137a2b9709ada79893bdcc0433abbc9fcd/deliverables/rocky/neutron-tempest-plugin.yaml#L21\n\u003e \n\u003e [2] https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/709901/4/deliverables/rocky/neutron-tempest-plugin.yaml\n\u003e \n\u003e [3] https://docs.openstack.org/tempest/latest/stable_branch_support_policy.html\n\nHello,\n\nThanks for the details.\n\nOn a semantical point of view I agree with Sean, it can look weird to tag branchless project as -em, Sean is right this is mixing concepts, but if it can help to manage testing on stale branches it does not shock me to tag these projects as -em. 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I have explained the versioning things for Tempest and its plugins here- https://docs.openstack.org/tempest/latest/tempest_and_plugins_compatible_version_policy.html\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e [1]https://github.com/openstack/releases/blob/08361a137a2b9709ada79893bdcc0433abbc9fcd/deliverables/rocky/neutron-tempest-plugin.yaml#L21\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e [2] https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/709901/4/deliverables/rocky/neutron-tempest-plugin.yaml\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e [3] https://docs.openstack.org/tempest/latest/stable_branch_support_policy.html\n\u003e \n\u003e Hello,\n\u003e \n\u003e Thanks for the details.\n\u003e \n\u003e On a semantical point of view I agree with Sean, it can look weird to tag branchless project as -em, Sean is right this is mixing concepts, but if it can help to manage testing on stale branches it does not shock me to tag these projects as -em. I missed that point on my previous review on the related patches.\n\u003e \n\u003e I don\u0027t have all the design\u0027s history of -em and which rules are the rule in this case, but I can see that we also tagged queens and ocata as -em in the past ( https://opendev.org/openstack/tempest/src/tag/queens-em ), however I can\u0027t find rocky, maybe the job failed due to the wrong sha...\n\u003e \n\u003e Anyway I\u0027m not against to continue with -em on branchless as did on the past, but first lets ask if we have an other option to maintain their CI testing? If the response is no, then I think that we should continue with that. Any idea?\n\nIf no em tag then we need to manually try and find the compatible version at our CI/CD as well as in production testing also. I did the same when rocky testing was broken with master version and I need to find compatible Tempest hash/version and for plugins also.\n\n\n\u003e \n\u003e If we decide to continue with these changes I think that we will face another issue with our tooling/process, especially with EOL. Recently we introduced a script to detect EOL stale branches, and I\u0027m afraid that these changes will be a first step towards the EOL path with branchless projects, and here we will face an issue with our shared process with the infra team (removing of EOL branches on a branchless projects).\n\nThis should not impact the EOL decision, if any of the EM stable release move to EOL then we do not need to release new tag for Tempest or plugins as this em tag can be used as last compatible and tested version. 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