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Without example(s), procedures or commands, it could be confusing.\n\u003e \n\u003e This is an advanced topic, we have to assume that the users know how to run validations and that they have read at least the downstream docs.\n\u003e The very fact that they reached this page, means that they have run `command`, it failed, and they have determined that the error isn\u0027t on their side.\n\u003e \n\u003e The more information they give us to help solve the issue, the better. If we railroad them to much they might omit things that could be useful.\n\nJiri, we could never assume that the reader knows all about the VF, advanced topic or not! \n\nSome example(s) we can add that you already know:\n\n- For packages information:\n\n    $ rpm -qa | grep validations | xargs rpm -qi\n\n- For the validations log directory, first we only talk about the /var/log/validations but as you know better than me 😄, the user could store them elsewhere. 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Without example(s), procedures or commands, it could be confusing.\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e This is an advanced topic, we have to assume that the users know how to run validations and that they have read at least the downstream docs.\n\u003e \u003e The very fact that they reached this page, means that they have run `command`, it failed, and they have determined that the error isn\u0027t on their side.\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e The more information they give us to help solve the issue, the better. 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